Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[zaqhhh]

What they need to tell people with cancer is that while you are off your chemo having surgery, that your cancer is going to spread, and we will be chasing it around your body, trying to cut it out. And, while we are cutting it out, it will go somewhere else, and somewhere else, etc. They should have done a total scan before the first surgery, instead of operating on the colon, and not checking anywhere else. This same thing has happened over and over, and everybody is dead. I have another friend with lung cancer right now and he will be dead with 3 or 4 months. These people may be able to set a broken bone, but they are limited in many cases.

My mother-in-law went to the E.R. in November, and died 36 hours later, after a Cat Scan. She was old and not in good shape, but she was lucid and walked in under her own power, and was nauseated and unresponsive shortly after the scan. The next day, she was dead. We fully expected to bring her home the same day. We took her to the funeral home instead.

I can't speak to this, but it seems that your assessment of doing a total scan would have been correct. Differences aside, I am sorry for all the loss you have had to go through, especially under those conditions.

 

[newarkvol]

This is why I get angry when I hear Ted Cruz talk about national insurance leading to rationed care. We literally ration care more than any other nation. If you are wealthy enough, you get the best care in the world. If you don't have the means, you either go bankrupt or die. I would take more taxes, even wait times, and slight reductions in quality if we just insured everyone.

Let's also be honest here, this is a moot debate. The US is moving towards national care, it may not be in your lifetime. I hope it will be in mine, but my future kids for sure. The debate needs to be on how best we accomplish that, not if we should at all. There are 10 different prominent models of universal care, lets debate the pros and cons of that, not an antiquated system that literally chooses life outcomes based on income.

You are a patient man zaq...yeoman's work tonight ...bravo

 

[zaqhhh]

You are a patient man zaqq...yeoman's work tonight ...bravo

Thanks, I had retired from the politics section for about a year because it is a unrewarding and perilous quest, but I knew I'd get sucked back in eventually. Appreciate that someone else on here has common sense.

 

[0nelilreb]

You are a patient man zaq...yeoman's work tonight ...bravo

Interesting ..

 

[1972 Grad]

I can't speak to this, but it seems that your assessment of doing a total scan would have been correct. Differences aside, I am sorry for all the loss you have had to go through, especially under those conditions.

It wasn't for lack of good insurance. He was out very little money, considering. As far as his oncologist, the little Indian spent a couple of years and a couple million dollars building on the highest hillside in The Ridges in Jonesboro. So, he's doing well. The people that took chemo with my brother looked like a damn bunch of zombies before they died. My brother joked that the little Indian would stop the funeral procession on its way to the cemetery for one last treatment, so he could bill the insurance company.

 

[1972 Grad]

Switching the topic a bit, but perhaps we can find middle ground. Do you believe they have a right to die? I.E Physician assisted suicide?

Since there seems to be some beyond Darwinist libertarian people here, I assume we can agree on this (for much different reasons)

Yes, I think so, but I can see why some medical professionals might not want to take part.

 

[newarkvol]

View attachment 193428
Interesting ..

You had to look that up?... now look up idiom..

 

[0nelilreb]

You had to look that up?... now look up idiom..

No I didn’t have to look it up for the meaning , I had to look it up to post the other meaning which I knew it had more than the one you meant .

 

[newarkvol]

Thanks, I had retired from the politics section for about a year because it is a unrewarding and perilous quest, but I knew I'd get sucked back in eventually. Appreciate that someone else on here has common sense.

Yeah....a fool's errand... yo reb-- you can look that up too
Noun. fool's errand (plural fools' errands) (idiomatic) A foolish undertaking, especially one that is purposeless, fruitless, nonsensical, or certain to fail. quotations ▼

 

[1972 Grad]

Yeah....a fool's errand... yo reb-- you can look that up too
Noun. fool's errand (plural fools' errands) (idiomatic) A foolish undertaking, especially one that is purposeless, fruitless, nonsensical, or certain to fail. quotations ▼

Look up WGAF.

 

[0nelilreb]

Yeah....a fool's errand... yo reb-- you can look that up too
Noun. fool's errand (plural fools' errands) (idiomatic) A foolish undertaking, especially one that is purposeless, fruitless, nonsensical, or certain to fail. quotations ▼

I don’t have to , you have the meaning . But I may have to look up “Yo “

 

[newarkvol]

I don’t have to , you have the meaning . But I may have to look up “Yo “

Yo...you mad stupid..

and scared and xenophobic



Yo is an English slang interjection,[1] commonly associated with American English. It was popularized by the Italian-American community in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in the 1940s.[2]

My man...

 

[0nelilreb]

Yo...you mad stupid..

and scared and xenophobic



Yo is an English slang interjection,[1] commonly associated with American English. It was popularized by the Italian-American community in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in the 1940s.[2]

My man...

Yo.. now you are doing yeoman's work for me my man .

 

[newarkvol]

Yo.. now you are doing yeoman's work for me my man .

Good one reb. .really. .luv yall.. go vols....2/16.!

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Or, her life experience and the life experiences of those she is around on a regular basis have led her to a specific set of beliefs. Experience is a cruel teacher.

We should always make a good-faith effort to see people's opinions through their eyes and their formation - especially if they have a view we disagree with. Our ability to examine issues from multiple perspectives is one of the few things that separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

The ability to put yourselves in other shoes is an invaluable trait. Many people just can't do that.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

“Healthcare business”? So if s/he said that is that hospital administration?

As far as a minor in VN entertainment that’s a given. Luther is taking notes from this social warrior for sure

So am I, just piling on the reasons we love hospital administration soooooooo much.

 

[luthervol]

Well, a doctor at Fort Sanders performed a colostomy on my brother , saying that he would "pay for it with his life" if he didn't have the surgery. After the first surgery, he called back a few days later suggesting another surgery the next week. I'm guessing he realized he screwed something up.

After the cancer spread to his liver, the surgeon at Vanderbilt told him that he could get all the cancer out if he removed half his liver. The same surgeon told a lady friend from here the same story. They were both dead in a year after surgery. The same Fort Sanders doctor did a Whipple technique on another friend , now dead, and I think it was for practice. He was old, too far gone, and in no shape for surgery. I have very little respect for those butchers. They oversold what they could do.

Another friend, now dead, had the same type of colon cancer in the exact location as my brother, and refused the colostomy. He lived 8 years on chemo, whereas my brother was cut to pieces and had all kinds of complications and lasted 2 years. At least the doctors and hospitals made good money.

Sorry about all of your losses. I had the same experience with my father in law. Went in for minor shoulder surgery. Died in the hospital a week later. Mother in law - bladder cancer hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of painful ineffective and even counter productive treatments and procedures before she finally died.. My Dad - Parkinson's, so many (expensive) medications there was no way to ever know who they interacted. He died of a massive rare type of heart attack. Will never know, but I believe the toxic mix of multiple medications played a role.

I also firmly believe that the root of all three of these was a system that has increasingly evolved into nothing more than a for profit industry where the overriding motivator is to scam your way to as much money as possible.

Side note: My mother in law's bladder cancer was caused by a medication (unneeded) she had taken earlier in life. She was part of a successful class action suit.

 

[0nelilreb]

Sorry about all of your losses. I had the same experience with my father in law. Went in for minor shoulder surgery. Died in the hospital a week later. Mother in law - bladder cancer hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of painful ineffective and even counter productive treatments and procedures before she finally died.. My Dad - Parkinson's, so many (expensive) medications there was no way to ever know who they interacted. He died of a massive rare type of heart attack. Will never know, but I believe the toxic mix of multiple medications played a role.

I also firmly believe that the root of all three of these was a system that has increasingly evolved into nothing more than a for profit industry where the overriding motivator is to scam your way to as much money as possible.

I can see your point of view and understand it , my issue with a government run health care program would be the hoops people like your dad would have to just through for example applying for and receiving disability . That’s a terrible process that requires an attorney to threaten the government panels just to be accepted .

 

[RikidyBones]

1. National programs focus much more on preventative medicine, when you leave everyone to their own devices they let things (willingly or due to cost) fester. That leads to worse problems down the line and that's why despite being the most medically advanced, the US is one of the most unhealthy nations.

2. It wouldn't matter as much what constitutes an emergency if comprehensive care is covered.

3. Actually, quite wrong. One of my best friends came to the states from England because of a job opportunity. One of his parents biggest complaints was that with healthcare costs, it wasn't much of a increase. They said the NHS had issues, but the US system was awful.
I was born and lived a part of my childhood in Buffalo, NY right across from Canada and have many Canadian friends and the vast majority I have spoken to want to keep their system. The few I have met who critique their system say its not as medically advanced and that there is the occasional wait time, but they see many more Americans seeking care in Canada then vice-versa. Those who do leave Canada to seek care in the US are generally going for an elective procedure (hence, they are well off and want to pay more to avoid waiting, see a top ranked physician etc)

I will refer you to the story I provided earlier. You have a very simple opinion of how it affects real people. Theres plenty of medical needs that aren't preventable or life threatening. The medical field isnt simple but national care isnt close to infallible.

Also Zachary, allow me to provide some anecdotal second hand experience. My wifes family is straight out of England. Lovely people and were gracious hosts when we went to London. I am capitalizing this so you dont miss it. FREE HEALTHCARE DOES NOT EXEMPT YOU FROM MEDICAL DEBT.

What do I mean by that? My wifes cousin got a herniated disc. He could not work. Because it wasnt life threatening, the soonest surgery appointment was an entire year. If he wanted to get it fixed, he could go private. I think you can imagine that private is not cheap. So we have two options:

Go into debt waiting for your soonest appointment in a years time in massive pain
or
Go into debt by getting the repair in the private sector.

These are middle class, hard working people. This was in 2014. They aren't even close to recovering. So if you think it eliminates debt, think again. Also worth noting is that England is a much smaller country and is not in a great political time in their history right now because of these policies. Before you spout off about free this and that, go talk to the commoner from countries that have attempted this.

You won't change my mind due to actually seeing England and the VAs services first hand(no I'm not former military but I've had to accompany family and a few friends to the VA many times) and I hope your children never see it because that would mean mine will.

 

[RikidyBones]

72, I am sorry for your experiences. Our system has flaws, no doubt about that. There are good doctors out there but they are mostly in the pediatric sector (they get played less yet need more training). You'll enjoy this coincidence... since becoming a parent, I've gotten the flu shot every year.. you know what else I've gotten? The flu. The ten+ years before that no shot, no flu.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Until this country can effectively deliver top of the line medical care to all our servicemen and women, you can take your single payer system and stick it up your ass.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

BB, here's the infatuation with her. It isn't because anyone is scared or threatened, it's just comedic gold.

 

[luthervol]

72, I am sorry for your experiences. Our system has flaws, no doubt about that. There are good doctors out there but they are mostly in the pediatric sector (they get played less yet need more training). You'll enjoy this coincidence... since becoming a parent, I've gotten the flu shot every year.. you know what else I've gotten? The flu. The ten+ years before that no shot, no flu.

The last time I had the flu was about 15 years ago, a year in which I had a flu shot. (and it was a horrible bout) I have not had a flu shot since, and I have not had the flu since. Maybe a coincidence....but I'm going to ride it out.

 

[luthervol]

BB, here's the infatuation with her. It isn't because anyone is scared or threatened, it's just comedic gold.

lol.....I don't think Fox's obsession is coming from a place of humor. The right-wing propaganda machine is trying to demonize what she stands for....that's it....pure and simple.

 

[0nelilreb]

lol.....I don't think Fox's obsession is coming from a place of humor. The right-wing propaganda machine is trying to demonize what she stands for....that's it....pure and simple.

Ok I’ll buy that and approve .. she’s a pure socialist and makes no bones about it so the right better be trying to show it to everyone as often as they can .