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#151
#151
PKT_VOL said:
Do you think general biological creationism, not necessarily OT creationism, supports ET or being alone?
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I would say if we were in fact "created", I would lean towards we were created by another alien race a la Prometheus.

I'm obviously only referring to life itself, not the planets, solar system, universe, etc.
 
#152
#152
PKT_VOL said:
Do you think general biological creationism, not necessarily OT creationism, supports ET or being alone?
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short answer my beliefs support ET life.

not familiar with the term "biological creationism"; but I believe God created evolution. and seeing as how he made the whole universe I believe the same rules (aka physics, chemistry etc) apply everywhere as they do here. I don't think we have a full understanding of those rules yet. and as such I believe that God could have made other life as well through evolution. I have no problem believing in ET life, or even complex life. Not quite 100% on intelligent life though.

The Bible creation story pretty much gets it right. the timeline is off, days vs eons. Even then who is to say what a day is to God. But even with it not being human days the Bible is remarkably close considering it isn't based on science.

First there was nothing. Then there was light (Big Bang), then the planets and stars formed (the domes) from the nothing (I think the Bible has the world coming first then the planets and the stars, but even there with how many lightyears we would have been apart it would have taken a while before you could have seen any of it). Then the world was blank, then the waters and sky. then life showed up (skips a whole bunch of life forms) then man came last. sounds pretty darn similar to what I was taught in school. Even has the moon forming after the earth.

not bad for a bunch of goat herders passing a story along orally for hundreds/thousands of years.
 
#155
#155
I don't think exclusion from the Bible disproves alien life. It's not like the Bible explains everything to us. With all the stars and planets in the universe, if God is indeed behind creation, why would He stop with us? It seems arrogant to me to think we are all there is. To ignore the possibility that other life in the universe exists just seems woefully ignorant. I'm not saying for fact there is other life, but I do believe the possibility exists.
 
#156
#156
Weezer said:
I don't think exclusion from the Bible disproves alien life. It's not like the Bible explains everything to us. With all the stars and planets in the universe, if God is indeed behind creation, why would He stop with us? It seems arrogant to me to think we are all there is. To ignore the possibility that other life in the universe exists just seems woefully ignorant. I'm not saying for fact there is other life, but I do believe the possibility exists.
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Cause the world revolves around me!😁
 
#161
#161
joevol33 said:
Haha, in all honesty I have control of my half of the closet and that's about it.
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You don't even control your half of the closet. You just think you do. The best illusions are so finely crafted you never know you've fallen victim.
 
#162
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Weezer said:
I don't think exclusion from the Bible disproves alien life. It's not like the Bible explains everything to us. With all the stars and planets in the universe, if God is indeed behind creation, why would He stop with us? It seems arrogant to me to think we are all there is. To ignore the possibility that other life in the universe exists just seems woefully ignorant. I'm not saying for fact there is other life, but I do believe the possibility exists.
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I think it is very likely other sentient life exists. Probably many many times over. There are too many stars to even count. Numbers too big to really fathom. I completely see where it could be considered arrogant to believe life only exists on earth, and I very much believe in the God of Isaac and Jacob.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
No, you are assuming they are God's words. In no way can you prove they are or aren't. You are merely believing what someone wrote down thousands of years ago as fact.

As far as your second part, or perhaps the "truth" is hardly convincing to them. Is this something that is pounded into your heads at church, that the main reason people don't believe in God is because they simply just want to ignore it? Not to mention the blatant hypocrisy, as you yourself have demonstrated that you simply refuse to believe the evidence of evolution, and you don't even show a fraction of skepticism towards your religious beliefs that you show towards science.
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Case.in.point.

Called hypocrite?check.

Assumed fictitious intellectual high ground? Check.

Instantly combative in nature?check

Insult the church? Check.

I Have Been Down This Road 1000 times. No mas. Better ways to spend my time.
 
#169
#169
kiddiedoc said:
Not only is the idea dumb, it's alsoSome would argue that the development of life is so unlikely (and us so fortunate with a billion billions of a chance) that only conditions like those on earth would be likely to accommodate such. However, even the perfect conditions here HAVE NEVER shown any promise to explain the origin of life, nor the development of intricately-complex structures and mentation (see: human nervous system and eye).
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Life isn't unlikely at all. Do you realize how many earth like planets are out there? Our planet isn't as rare as you may think.

And yes, perfect conditions have shown a lot of promise. Scientist have been able to produce amino acids, lipids, DNA and even self replicating and evolving RNA.

So your claim that they've never shown any promise to explain the origin of life is simply based in your own personal ignorance.

NASA Ames Reproduces the Building Blocks of Life in Laboratory | NASA

Life As We Know It Nearly Created in Lab
 
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#170
You really shouldn't call people you don't know "ignorant," as that type of behavior demonstrates a rather undesirable character. I can assure you I am not.

If you will actual read your referenced article, you will find that:

"It's not life, they stress"

"Lincoln's advisor, professor Gerald Joyce, reiterated that while the self-replicating RNA enzyme systems share certain characteristics of life, they are not life as we know it."

There is a huge difference in manufacturing "building blocks" from preexisting molecules and explaining the creation of life. Also, the lab neglected to explain that the substrates used in their experiments HAD TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, which violates the universal laws of science (mass and energy conservation).

I've already explained that God could create other habitable planets and life if He pleased. But, to claim there are many Earth-like planets is another huge stretch. The closest resemblance is nearly 500 light years away, only marginally in what would be considered a "habitable zone," meaning that temperature shifts would be much more extreme than on earth, and no one even knows it's composition:

"Although the size of Kepler-186f is known, its mass and composition are not."

As Marcus has already stated, this argument is nothing but an exercise in frustration, as non-believers are often hardened against the truth. It isn't our job to convince people with science, anyway. Again, I am only demonstrating that there are other explanations than what you might read in a textbook or science magazine and that these views are, in fact, held by many educated people.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
No, you are assuming they are God's words. In no way can you prove they are or aren't. You are merely believing what someone wrote down thousands of years ago as fact.

As far as your second part, or perhaps the "truth" is hardly convincing to them. Is this something that is pounded into your heads at church, that the main reason people don't believe in God is because they simply just want to ignore it? Not to mention the blatant hypocrisy, as you yourself have demonstrated that you simply refuse to believe the evidence of evolution, and you don't even show a fraction of skepticism towards your religious beliefs that you show towards science.
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NM
 
#172
#172
VolsSportsFan said:
I would say if we were in fact "created", I would lean towards we were created by another alien race a la Prometheus.

I'm obviously only referring to life itself, not the planets, solar system, universe, etc.
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This I can fathom. How hard is it to believe that maybe we are a "alien ant colony" ?
 
#173
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marcusluvsvols said:
Case.in.point.

Called hypocrite?check.

Assumed fictitious intellectual high ground? Check.

Instantly combative in nature?check

Insult the church? Check.

I Have Been Down This Road 1000 times. No mas. Better ways to spend my time.
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Because you are a hypocrite.

It's laughable you accuse me of having the "assumed fictitious intellectual high ground" after YOU are the one who keeps making assertions like that athiests just simply don't want to believe and your statements about "facts and reason".

It's laughable you accuse me of being combative after again, you throw down those gaunlets then play Mr. Humble and run and hide behind your religious beliefs, i.e. "I didn't say it, God did".

Your biggest problem is you want to be able to make whatever assertion you want with no opposition, and anytime one points out the fallacies of your statements, you pull the victim card. You've proven this over and over.

Also, funny that someone who has better ways to spend their time takes said time to respond.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
You really shouldn't call people you don't know "ignorant," as that type of behavior demonstrates a rather undesirable character. I can assure you I am not.

If you will actual read your referenced article, you will find that:

"It's not life, they stress"

"Lincoln's advisor, professor Gerald Joyce, reiterated that while the self-replicating RNA enzyme systems share certain characteristics of life, they are not life as we know it."

There is a huge difference in manufacturing "building blocks" from preexisting molecules and explaining the creation of life. Also, the lab neglected to explain that the substrates used in their experiments HAD TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, which violates the universal laws of science (mass and energy conservation).

I've already explained that God could create other habitable planets and life if He pleased. But, to claim there are many Earth-like planets is another huge stretch. The closest resemblance is nearly 500 light years away, only marginally in what would be considered a "habitable zone," meaning that temperature shifts would be much more extreme than on earth, and no one even knows it's composition:

"Although the size of Kepler-186f is known, its mass and composition are not."

As Marcus has already stated, this argument is nothing but an exercise in frustration, as non-believers are often hardened against the truth. It isn't our job to convince people with science, anyway. Again, I am only demonstrating that there are other explanations than what you might read in a textbook or science magazine and that these views are, in fact, held by many educated people.
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Yes because obviously the non-believers are the only ones being "hardened" in this scenario.
 
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#175
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kiddiedoc said:
You really shouldn't call people you don't know "ignorant," as that type of behavior demonstrates a rather undesirable character. I can assure you I am not.

If you will actual read your referenced article, you will find that:

"It's not life, they stress"

"Lincoln's advisor, professor Gerald Joyce, reiterated that while the self-replicating RNA enzyme systems share certain characteristics of life, they are not life as we know it."

There is a huge difference in manufacturing "building blocks" from preexisting molecules and explaining the creation of life. Also, the lab neglected to explain that the substrates used in their experiments HAD TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, which violates the universal laws of science (mass and energy conservation).

I've already explained that God could create other habitable planets and life if He pleased. But, to claim there are many Earth-like planets is another huge stretch. The closest resemblance is nearly 500 light years away, only marginally in what would be considered a "habitable zone," meaning that temperature shifts would be much more extreme than on earth, and no one even knows it's composition:

"Although the size of Kepler-186f is known, its mass and composition are not."

As Marcus has already stated, this argument is nothing but an exercise in frustration, as non-believers are often hardened against the truth. It isn't our job to convince people with science, anyway. Again, I am only demonstrating that there are other explanations than what you might read in a textbook or science magazine and that these views are, in fact, held by many educated people.
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"Have never shown promise". Those were your words. Those words were highly ignorant. I showed you the highly promising things that have been done. As far as mass and energy conservation, that's a seperate topic.

They estimate we have 40 billion in earth like planets in our own Galaxy alone, 100-200 billion galaxies in the universe. Earth is not as uncommon as you want to believe. That doesn't mean they can all support life. But when you have 40billion times 100-200 billion options, you're going to have an extremely large amount of planets to pick from even if only 1-2% of those can support life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_analog
 
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