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marcusluvsvols said:
Case.in.point.

Called hypocrite?check.

Assumed fictitious intellectual high ground? Check.

Instantly combative in nature?check

Insult the church? Check.

I Have Been Down This Road 1000 times. No mas. Better ways to spend my time.
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Vol8188 said:
They estimate we have 40 billion in earth like planets in our own Galaxy alone, 100-200 billion galaxies in the universe. Earth is not as uncommon as you want to believe. That doesn't mean they can all support life. But when you have 40billion times 100-200 billion options, you're going to have an extremely large amount of planets to pick from even if only 1-2% of those can support life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_analog
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Well, if Wiki says so, it must be true. "They estimate" means nothing more than a guess by people who have an agenda. Those numbers are ridiculous and nonsense, and I'd be careful calling people ignorant when you go around regurgitating garbage like that. As I already explained, there was one planet announced about two years ago that is 500 light years away, borderline in the "habitable zone," and of unknown composition.

All that being said, if there really are 4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets to investigate (I think I did your math right), we better get busy, especially with the nearest candidate circa 3,000,000,000,000,000 miles away!
 
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For further perspective, if we could travel as fast as the fastest probe launched to date, we could reach Kepler 185f in a mere 6,000,000 years.
 
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Personally, I find the idea of space travel intriguing. If we could find a way to create hyperspace or a way to bend the fabric of the universe, interstellar travel could become possible. We could travel to far off planets in a fraction of the time. And the thing is, these things are not beyond possibility, and they do not contradict any of the teachings of Christianity that I am aware of. God, if you believe in Him, has presented us with challenges, and the possibility of overcoming these obstacles exists. And if you believe in science, then you know there is so much we have yet to discover, which is why research continues on.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Well, if Wiki says so, it must be true. "They estimate" means nothing more than a guess by people who have an agenda. Those numbers are ridiculous and nonsense, and I'd be careful calling people ignorant when you go around regurgitating garbage like that. As I already explained, there was one planet announced about two years ago that is 500 light years away, borderline in the "habitable zone," and of unknown composition.

All that being said, if there really are 4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets to investigate (I think I did your math right), we better get busy, especially with the nearest candidate circa 3,000,000,000,000,000 miles away!
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Scientist have found far more than one earth like planet. You have no clue what you're talking about.
 
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I agree with all of what you said, Weezer. But, we certainly have a long way to go, especially when you consider how relatively little progress we have made towards that type of travel since the earlier rocket missions of the space program and the decreased funding and interest by the government.

If that were to ever come to fruition, it would likely demand massive research and money from the private sector (see SpaceX, etc) and a long, long time, which I'm not convinced humankind and/or the earth will be allowed. There is a huge gap between comprehensible high-speed propulsion technology and theoretical light-speed travel that would be required to reach these distant targets and possibly bend our known laws of time and space.
 
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We know its possible to warp space but we haven't got any way to generate the energy required at the time being
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Well, if Wiki says so, it must be true. "They estimate" means nothing more than a guess by people who have an agenda. Those numbers are ridiculous and nonsense, and I'd be careful calling people ignorant when you go around regurgitating garbage like that. As I already explained, there was one planet announced about two years ago that is 500 light years away, borderline in the "habitable zone," and of unknown composition.

All that being said, if there really are 4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets to investigate (I think I did your math right), we better get busy, especially with the nearest candidate circa 3,000,000,000,000,000 miles away!
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Yes, because you clearly don't have one. My goodness between you and Marcus, I don't know which one of you have the bigger projection issues.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I agree with all of what you said, Weezer. But, we certainly have a long way to go, especially when you consider how relatively little progress we have made towards that type of travel since the earlier rocket missions of the space program and the decreased funding and interest by the government.

If that were to ever come to fruition, it would likely demand massive research and money from the private sector (see SpaceX, etc) and a long, long time, which I'm not convinced humankind and/or the earth will be allowed. There is a huge gap between comprehensible high-speed propulsion technology and theoretical light-speed travel that would be required to reach these distant targets and possibly bend our known laws of time and space.
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All it takes is one accidental discovery to make a giant leap forward. Maybe it will come, maybe it won't, but the possibility exists. Think of all the things humanity has accomplished. We've travelled to the moon and back. We've created a space station in our orbit. We've sent probes to other planets. All things that were unimaginable a little over a century ago. I agree that it will most likely come from the private sector, but one individual can sometimes do wonders. He has the thought that starts the wheels and before long, humanity has taken that leap into the unknown. And who knows when that idea will come?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Yes, because you clearly don't have one.
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Actually, I don't. My beliefs don't, in any way, hinge on the existence of other life in the universe. My common sense and ability to critically evaluate the literature conclude that we are a very unique planet, and that astronomers are a long ways away from proving or even suggesting that there is evidence of such life.

Feel free to continue the rhetoric, but I'm going to move on. I think my point has been made. I do appreciate those who have contributed insightful thought to the conversation.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Actually, I don't. My beliefs don't, in any way, hinge on the existence of other life in the universe. My common sense and ability to critically evaluate the literature conclude that we are a very unique planet, and that astronomers are a long ways away from proving or even suggesting that there is evidence of such life.

Feel free to continue the rhetoric, but I'm going to move on. I think my point has been made. I do appreciate those who have contributed insightful thought to the conversation.
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Lol whatever buddy. Don't hurt your hand patting yourself on the back. And of course you think your "point" has been made, because you would have thought that regardless of what anyone else said.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Lol whatever buddy. Don't hurt your hand patting yourself on the back. And of course you think your "point" has been made, because you would have thought that regardless of what anyone else said.
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Why should we put any credence in your opinions, you're not Dave after all.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Ok. While I'm not Josh Dobbs, I can read, and the best first realistic candidate is a long ways away and nobody has any idea what it's made of.

Kepler-186f, the First Earth-size Planet in the Habitable Zone | NASA

*edit: sorry to quote NASA, I thought it might be more credible than Wikipedia
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1. article is from two years ago.

2. your article mentions another earth like planet

3. there is a link at the bottom of the page that takes you to another article in 2015 with the next confirmed planet, with 11 more "candidates"

raising the number of planet candidates detected by the Kepler mission to 4,696. Candidates require follow-up observations and analysis to verify they are actual planets.

Twelve of the new planet candidates have diameters between one to two times that of Earth, and orbit in their star's habitable zone. Of these, nine orbit stars that are similar to our sun in size and temperature.
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4. they stated in 2009 and have updated their methods and equipment twice since then. it makes sense as they do this longer and longer they are going to find more and more planets at an increasing rate. Kepler and K2 Missions | NASA

and for the argument about engines and drives to get us there the new ion(not sure that the right word) drives we use will be much much faster than what we have, but yes no where near speed of light. even with advances taken into consideration we are still probably looking at colony ships that will have several generations of crew before reaching their destination. it will be interesting to see how we handle that idea. we already have idiots signing up for the one way trip to mars hosted by Sweden or something. Mars One

one would likely see us expand several times in our own solar system before making a long jump out of it. doesn't really the long distance issue but we will have several technological steps between now and then to make the idea less crazy.
 
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Doc

Read a bit in the politics forum and get to know the 2 who are trying to argue with you, 8188 etc.

90 perc. Of the politics forum either has them on ignore (I don't use that feature) or flat refuses to respond to their posts. You will see why, and it has absolutely nothing to do with religion or Christianity in particular .

I will leave it at that. I don't argue in real life, not going to do it here either. Enjoy your solid posts.god bless you and yours.

Edit. Louder I wasn't talking about u bro
 
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LouderVol said:
one would likely see us expand several times in our own solar system before making a long jump out of it. doesn't really the long distance issue but we will have several technological steps between now and then to make the idea less crazy.
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Yes, and why guys like Musk are so important. He wants and is working toward Mars colonization. We start in this solar system and continuously advance the technologies developed to get/stay there.

We're likely to innovate more quickly when actively working toward a clear goal.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Doc

Read a bit in the politics forum and get to know the 2 who are trying to argue with you, 8188 etc.

90 perc. Of the politics forum either has them on ignore (I don't use that feature) or flat refuses to respond to their posts. You will see why, and it has absolutely nothing to do with religion or Christianity in particular .

I will leave it at that. I don't argue in real life, not going to do it here either. Enjoy your solid posts.god bless you and yours.

Edit. Louder I wasn't talking about u bro
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You're completely full of crap, and now you're just making stuff up.

And for someone who keep saying they are done with all this, you sure do keep posting about it.
 
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In just our solar system we have one planet where life thrives and another planet that may have been capable of sustaining life at some point. I like the odds of life somewhere else in our own galaxy.
 
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This thread seems like an appropriate place to quote something our very own MockingVol wrote a couple years ago. I think it's a beautiful thought. I saved it and think about it from time to time.

"Out of all the substances and energies found in the entirety of the universe, life is surely the rarest."
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Doc

Read a bit in the politics forum and get to know the 2 who are trying to argue with you, 8188 etc.

90 perc. Of the politics forum either has them on ignore (I don't use that feature) or flat refuses to respond to their posts. You will see why, and it has absolutely nothing to do with religion or Christianity in particular .

I will leave it at that. I don't argue in real life, not going to do it here either. Enjoy your solid posts.god bless you and yours.

Edit. Louder I wasn't talking about u bro
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:hi:

lol, wouldn't have bothered me if you had been.
 
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