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LouderVol said:
Threats that havent been acted on?
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Some threats have been acted upon.

LouderVol said:
This is the government getting heavy handed to try and force people back into normal.
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No, this is the government telling angry parents that there will be consequences for threatening teachers and school administrators with acts of violence. There is nothing wrong with a peaceful protest, however.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Some threats have been acted upon.


No, this is the government telling angry parents that there will be consequences for threatening teachers and school administrators with acts of violence. There is nothing wrong with a peaceful protest, however.
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Again, it is not the federal government’s job to do that. We don’t need a nanny. It’s a State and local issue and the feds need to stay in their own damn lane.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Some threats have been acted upon.


No, this is the government telling angry parents that there will be consequences for threatening teachers and school administrators with acts of violence. There is nothing wrong with a peaceful protest, however.
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And it goes straight to the FBI? What's wrong with some extra police at these meetings?

And which threats? I really havent heard.
 
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Volaholic320 said:
Study history son. I believe the German people said the same thing too
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Really? The German people have compared orders handed down from the Nazi regime during the holocaust, to vaccine and mask mandates during a global pandemic? I highly doubt it.

It is lazy and stupid to draw such comparisons with the Nazis... and yet there are idiots on this forum who do it all the time.
 
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hog88 said:
So? It's still a state/local issue and not under the purview of the DOJ.
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I agree with you, but the reason I began posting to this thread, was to point out that Merrick Garland's memo was being misrepresented by the far right media.

It has been falsely claimed throughout this thread (and I believe that you alluded to it on the 1st page as well), that Garland's memo had instructed the FBI to investigate parents for simply challenging school board policies concerning vaccine and mask mandates, and curriculum concerning Critical Race Theory. That is a blatant lie.

Garland's memo only addressed the growing problem of threats and acts of violence being waged against teachers and school administrators. Now, maybe Garland should stay out of it? But that doesn't make these false claims regarding the stated objective of his memo any less dishonest. Tucker Carlson is a flat out liar.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Here it is ^^^^.

From a week ago. You were referring to the substance of the Garland memo being misrepresented by the OP, and you were right. It was.
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Yes, the directive is being misrepresented. The media and the OP should be hammering the AG for stepping into local/state issues.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There are literally dozens of these to choose from ....

'The mood is grim': Death threats and violence mark another pandemic school year
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No, there aren't; they're just dozens of apoplectic, one-sided reporting using the SAME examples over and over. How many times does we have to read about the SAME guy who punched the SAME teacher after intervening in an argument between the SAME father and principal? And that contrary to your post:
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Yes, there are ...

... This has become an issue, because those laws are not currently being enforced.
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...this man has been charged with battery. So what other 'evidence' do you have that local law enforcement isn't acting upon the paucity of incidents either threatening or actual battery? Answer: None. The left - including members of this administration - sat on their hands all summer and into this year, encouraging their "mostly peaceful" shock-troops as they battered, murdered, assaulted, rioted, burned and looted in city after city. The VP openly encouraged these violent brownshirts to continue, even after the election.

Apparently, these blackface Marxists rioters wore Klingon cloaking devices because Democrat politicians, media, big tech simply couldn't ***** find them. Even D.B. Cooper is saying "WTF!". But by God! - they have detected an immense, pervasive wave of white supremacists that constitute the gravest danger the republic faces, while producing no evidence for the claim. If only the white Nazi horde could get some Klingon army surplus gear....then we might have a white supremacist "summer of love!"

The NSBA's letter to Biden should have been able to provide a catalog of violence IF IT EXISTED. It did not, because it CANNOT, let alone provide evidence that "laws are not being enforced". Literally, five days after the letter, the DOJ and FBI are stepping in as if the NSBA likening parent protest to "domestic terrorism" is a foregone conclusion. The governors of states that haven't lost their minds should unequivocally tell Biden and DOJ "Fk you, isn't going to happen in this state". If the Biden admin can ignore SCOTUS and federal court rulings, that's the takeaway, right?

The fact is, during the past year parents stuck at home have actually been able to observe their childrens' remote learning curriculum and are rightfully alarmed. Critical theory is a Marxist theory which begat critical legal studies, which begat critical race theory. For months the left has laughed off the claim that CRT and attendant dogma is being taught to anything but Harvard law grads, but then the NEA and AFT - largest teachers unions in the country - pledge to defend K12 teaching of that dogma. Once again, people like you - either ignorant beyond belief or purposeful liars - are shown to be just that, enabler or instigator. The brazen Orwellian fascism of this administration telling people they have no say in their education, the state will program them.

Sell your unicorn elsewhere. Your 'law and order' bleatings have no impact as you support an administration and party that defiles it.
 
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NCFisher said:
No, there aren't; they're just dozens of apoplectic, one-sided reporting using the SAME examples over and over. How many times does we have to read about the SAME guy who punched the SAME teacher after intervening in an argument between the SAME father and principal? And that contrary to your post:


...this man has been charged with battery. So what other 'evidence' do you have that local law enforcement isn't acting upon the paucity of incidents either threatening or actual battery? Answer: None. The left - including members of this administration - sat on their hands all summer and into this year, encouraging their "mostly peaceful" shock-troops as they battered, murdered, assaulted, rioted, burned and looted in city after city. The VP openly encouraged these violent brownshirts to continue, even after the election.

Apparently, these blackface Marxists rioters wore Klingon cloaking devices because Democrat politicians, media, big tech simply couldn't ***** find them. Even D.B. Cooper is saying "WTF!". But by God! - they have detected an immense, pervasive wave of white supremacists that constitute the gravest danger the republic faces, while producing no evidence for the claim. If only the white Nazi horde could get some Klingon army surplus gear....then we might have a white supremacist "summer of love!"

The NSBA's letter to Biden should have been able to provide a catalog of violence IF IT EXISTED. It did not, because it CANNOT, let alone provide evidence that "laws are not being enforced". Literally, five days after the letter, the DOJ and FBI are stepping in as if the NSBA likening parent protest to "domestic terrorism" is a foregone conclusion. The governors of states that haven't lost their minds should unequivocally tell Biden and DOJ "Fk you, isn't going to happen in this state". If the Biden admin can ignore SCOTUS and federal court rulings, that's the takeaway, right?

The fact is, during the past year parents stuck at home have actually been able to observe their childrens' remote learning curriculum and are rightfully alarmed. Critical theory is a Marxist theory which begat critical legal studies, which begat critical race theory. For months the left has laughed off the claim that CRT and attendant dogma is being taught to anything but Harvard law grads, but then the NEA and AFT - largest teachers unions in the country - pledge to defend K12 teaching of that dogma. Once again, people like you - either ignorant beyond belief or purposeful liars - are shown to be just that, enabler or instigator. The brazen Orwellian fascism of this administration telling people they have no say in their education, the state will program them.

Sell your unicorn elsewhere. Your 'law and order' bleatings have no impact as you support an administration and party that defiles it.
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The first link you responded to, has absolutely NOTHING to do with the incident that you described. It's from the LA Times. You should have read it first
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The first link you responded to, has absolutely NOTHING to do with the incident that you described. It's from the LA Times. You should have read it first
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I'm on topic which is the NSBA urging Biden to sic the DOJ/FBI/National Security and Counter Terrrorist agencies on 'much more peaceful' protesters than those we saw this summer. Here:

"NSBA believes immediate assistance is required to protect our students, school board members, and educators who are susceptible to acts of violence affecting interstate commerce because of threats to their districts, families, and personal safety. As our school boards continue coronavirus recovery operations within their respective districts, they are also persevering against other challenges that could impede this progress in a number of communities. Coupled with attacks against school board members and educators for approving policies for masks to protect the health and safety of students and school employees, many public school officials are also facing physical threats because of propaganda purporting the false inclusion of critical race theory within classroom instruction and curricula. 1 This propaganda continues despite the fact that critical race theory is not taught in public schools and remains a complex law school and graduate school subject well beyond the scope of a K-12 class."

"...NSBA specifically solicits the expertise and resources of the U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Secret Service, and its National Threat Assessment Center regarding the level of risk to public schoolchildren, educators, board members, and facilities/campuses. We also request the assistance of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service to intervene against threatening letters and cyberbullying attacks that have been transmitted to students, school board members, district administrators, and other educators."

"As these acts of malice, violence, and threats against public school officials have increased, the classification of these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes. As such, NSBA requests a joint expedited review by the U.S. Departments of Justice, Education, and Homeland Security, along with the appropriate training, coordination, investigations, and enforcement mechanisms from the FBI, including any technical assistance necessary from, and state and local coordination with, its National Security Branch and Counterterrorism Division, as well as any other federal agency with relevant jurisdictional authority and oversight. Additionally, NSBA requests that such review examine appropriate enforceable actions against these crimes and acts of violence under the Gun-Free School Zones Act, the PATRIOT Act in regards to domestic terrorism, the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, the Violent Interference with Federally Protected Rights statute, the Conspiracy Against Rights statute, an Executive Order to enforce all applicable federal laws for the protection of students and public school district personnel, and any related measure. As the threats grow and news of extremist hate organizations showing up at school board meetings is being reported, this is a critical time for a proactive approach to deal with this difficult issue."

Why TF stop there? - let's call in the Army Rangers, Navy Seals, and equip drones with tactical nukes to patrol terrorist parents homes. We obviously need quick-strike and over-the-horizon capability to deal with this (yet again) unquantified, national menace. It's just whatever they say it is.

Whether CRT or masks, YOU have no evidence that laws are not being enforced to back your claim, and certainly not dozens of them, nor even that there are large-scale threats or violence being committed, though I could understand it when parents are being told STFU. Do you understand now?
 
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I see numerous comments here about what AG Garland 'said' without context of what he is responding to, which is the National School Board Association letter to Biden urging him to throw the full weight of the federal government, short of military, against what NSBA is portraying as domestic terrorist parents. Parents opposing mask mandates and CRT curricula. Parents being shut out, shut down, arrested and ridiculed by school boards who think they'll raise your damn kids, you just shut up and pay the bill for it.

I've posted some highlights above; here's the letter: https://www.nsba.org/-/media/NSBA/F...hash=642B7B91E0029BA4427D0F38D7054A007537160F
 
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AshG said:
If it's any consolation, the NSBA hates teachers just as much. Maybe more.
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The only people finding consolation in fascist bureaucrats hating parents or teachers, are other fascist-minded people.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Didnt see it posted but..props to the OP for thread title:

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NCFisher said:
The only people finding consolation in fascist bureaucrats hating parents or teachers, are other fascist-minded people.
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Hi. I don't believe I know you yet.

Broad brushes and strong negative assumptions aren't healthy and can cause psychosomatic responses in the body.

Let it go, think the best of people, and enjoy life more.
 
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AshG said:
Hi. I don't believe I know you yet.

Broad brushes and strong negative assumptions aren't healthy and can cause psychosomatic responses in the body.

Let it go, think the best of people, and enjoy life more.
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I don't know that we've had the pleasure, but think I read you are/were a teacher. My comment was not directed toward you or teachers but the NSBA and educational complex that demonstrate fascist behavior. I'll stop speaking about internal enemies of the country when they're reduced back to the shadows of the country they undermine.
 
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NCFisher said:
I'm on topic which is the NSBA urging Biden to sic the DOJ/FBI/National Security and Counter Terrrorist agencies on 'much more peaceful' protesters than those we saw this summer. Here:

"NSBA believes immediate assistance is required to protect our students, school board members, and educators who are susceptible to acts of violence affecting interstate commerce because of threats to their districts, families, and personal safety. As our school boards continue coronavirus recovery operations within their respective districts, they are also persevering against other challenges that could impede this progress in a number of communities. Coupled with attacks against school board members and educators for approving policies for masks to protect the health and safety of students and school employees, many public school officials are also facing physical threats because of propaganda purporting the false inclusion of critical race theory within classroom instruction and curricula. 1 This propaganda continues despite the fact that critical race theory is not taught in public schools and remains a complex law school and graduate school subject well beyond the scope of a K-12 class."

"...NSBA specifically solicits the expertise and resources of the U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Secret Service, and its National Threat Assessment Center regarding the level of risk to public schoolchildren, educators, board members, and facilities/campuses. We also request the assistance of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service to intervene against threatening letters and cyberbullying attacks that have been transmitted to students, school board members, district administrators, and other educators."

"As these acts of malice, violence, and threats against public school officials have increased, the classification of these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes. As such, NSBA requests a joint expedited review by the U.S. Departments of Justice, Education, and Homeland Security, along with the appropriate training, coordination, investigations, and enforcement mechanisms from the FBI, including any technical assistance necessary from, and state and local coordination with, its National Security Branch and Counterterrorism Division, as well as any other federal agency with relevant jurisdictional authority and oversight. Additionally, NSBA requests that such review examine appropriate enforceable actions against these crimes and acts of violence under the Gun-Free School Zones Act, the PATRIOT Act in regards to domestic terrorism, the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, the Violent Interference with Federally Protected Rights statute, the Conspiracy Against Rights statute, an Executive Order to enforce all applicable federal laws for the protection of students and public school district personnel, and any related measure. As the threats grow and news of extremist hate organizations showing up at school board meetings is being reported, this is a critical time for a proactive approach to deal with this difficult issue."

Why TF stop there? - let's call in the Army Rangers, Navy Seals, and equip drones with tactical nukes to patrol terrorist parents homes. We obviously need quick-strike and over-the-horizon capability to deal with this (yet again) unquantified, national menace. It's just whatever they say it is.

Whether CRT or masks, YOU have no evidence that laws are not being enforced to back your claim, and certainly not dozens of them, nor even that there are large-scale threats or violence being committed, though I could understand it when parents are being told STFU. Do you understand now?
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This is a combination of paranoia, dishonesty, faux outrage and ignorance.

The topic of my post, which you replied to, was the threats of violence and the acts of violence against public school teachers and school administrators over the enforcement of school policies involving COVID-related vaccine and mask mandates, and public school curriculum concerning Critical Race Theory.

I provided a link to the LA Times, which detailed a series of incidents where death threats and acts of violence were perpetrated against teachers and school board members. You promptly ignored the content of that link (presumably, because your lazy a$$ didn't bother read it), so you could address a separate, unrelated incident, which had been covered earlier.

I have also discussed the misrepresentation of Attorney General Merrick Garland's memo, as seen in the OP, by members of the far right media (including Tucker Carlson), and various posters to this forum. Attorney General Garland did NOT instruct the FBI to investigate parents just for complaining about school board policies concerning vaccine and mask mandates, or for complaining about the inclusion of Critical Race Theory as part of public school curriculum. Such an allegation against Merrick Garland is an outright lie.

Attorney General Garland's memo never even addressed those school policies. The only thing which Garland did address in his directive was the growing number of incidents around the country, involving public school teachers being harassed and intimidated with death threats and acts of violence by angry parents who lost control of themselves during fits of rage.

Perhaps Garland should "stay in his lane", and allow these matters to be dealt with on the state and local levels? I would not disagree with that assessment. However, that doesn't make the misrepresentation of his memo, any less of a dishonest narrative by the far right. Garland's memo did NOT attempt to suppress free speech, and the 1st Amendment rights of parents who wish to peacefully protest and complain about school board policies. Merrick Garland just wants to put a stop to the threats and acts of violence. SHUDDER!!!!

Amazingly, nowhere throughout yet another one of your boring, unabridged posts, did you address the actual blatant misrepresentation of the Garland memo... and that is because you are a hyper-partisan, unread simpleton who sticks to telling half the story, while engaging in disingenuous "straw man" arguments. Your debating skills (or complete lack thereof) reveal an uneducated and inarticulate, hillbilly half-wit, who espouses an erudition which simply isn't possessed.
 
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Virginia Mom Who Survived Maoist China says DOJ, school board association use ‘communist tactics’

Fairfax County, VA – A Virginia mom who endured Mao’s Cultural Revolution before immigrating to the U.S. said the National School Boards Association and the Justice Department are using tactics similar to ones she saw Communist China use to stop parents from speaking out.

"When I was in China, I spent my entire school years in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, so I'm very, very familiar with the communist tactics of how to divide people, how they canceled the Chinese traditional culture and destroyed our heritage," Xi Van Fleet told Fox News. "All this is happening here in America."

"They call(ed) them racists for a long time, but that did not work," Van Fleet said, referring to the parents who have spoken out about critical race theory. "So, they have to upgrade to domestic terrorists."

Virginia mom who survived Maoist China says DOJ, school board association use ‘communist tactics’
 
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