Alligator attacks toddler at lagoon at Disney hotel

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OldandStillaVol said:
I think Fl_Vol's point is that in Florida, if there is ANY water, no matter the size, it will attract gators.

Disney needs to put signs warning about the presence of alligators at their hotels which adjoin lakes or ponds - especially if they are going to landscape them with a beach.

I'm not sure where the boundary is for a warning sign to be necessary. Does a beach resort need to put up a sign indicating sharks are in the ocean?
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Many beach resorts in FL that have a private beach, and don't share a public shoreline, post signs saying there's no lifeguard on duty, and you swim at your own risk...that's common practice at just about every hotel swimming pool in the US without a lifeguard.

For lobster season my wife and I stay at a resort in Key West with a private beach. In addition to the no lifeguard signs they also alert guests when jellyfish are in the area....with a big ass sign saying "Caution: Jellyfish!"

For public beaches with a lifeguard on duty, it's the lifeguard's job to monitor what's going on...which is no guarantee a shark or jellyfish or stingray won't do damage to beach-goers. And even in those cases there's signs or flags at each lifeguard station alerting beach goers to water conditions.
 
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Don't get me wrong as I think Disney needed more explicit warnings at their resort for alligators but does a hotel need to list every single danger for their facility? There has to be a line somewhere. Otherwise you would need warning signs for the fitness center (dropping a bench press or falling off treadmill), swimming pool, restaurant, bathroom, business meeting room, etc, etc.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
Don't get me wrong as I think Disney needed more explicit warnings at their resort for alligators but does a hotel need to list every single danger for their facility? There has to be a line somewhere. Otherwise you would need warning signs for the fitness center (dropping a bench press or falling off treadmill), swimming pool, restaurant, bathroom, business meeting room, etc, etc.
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The line is whatever a similar business hasn't been sued for yet.

Gyms have signs stating guests use the facilities at their own risk, or children under a certain age must be accompanied by an adult.

Bathrooms that were recently attended to have signs cautioning patrons the floors might be wet.

Restaurant menus have disclaimers regarding alerting servers to certain allergies, or if particular menu items like sushi or oysters are served raw.

Signs are prevalent everywhere at hotels/resorts.

For whatever reason Disney ignored previous warnings and complaints, didn't alert guest to a potentially deadly threat, and now they're liable for a 2 year-old's death.
 
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Personally think that warning signs should be for unique/unusual dangers only as opposed to what one could sue for and win. Don't think signs are necessary for every food allergy, rough surf, hazardous cliff, high balcony.

Everyone agrees it was very sad about the 2 year old boy. My younger daughter is struggling now with both the shootings and the alligator death. Anxiety and nightmares at night.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
Personally think that warning signs should be for unique/unusual dangers only as opposed to what one could sue for and win. Don't think signs are necessary for every food allergy, rough surf, hazardous cliff, high balcony.

Everyone agrees it was very sad about the 2 year old boy. My younger daughter is struggling now with both the shootings and the alligator death. Anxiety and nightmares at night.
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For anyone running a business, you have to mitigate risk, and we all know there are people out there who will sue for anything.

That's just the world we live in.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
For anyone running a business, you have to mitigate risk, and we all know there are people out there who will sue for anything.

That's just the world we live in.
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But a lot of cases hinge on what a "reasonable person" would do. I'm not trying to be callous but why would a reasonable person assume a large body of water in FL doesn't contain alligators? Why would a reasonable person have their kid near murky water at dusk?

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there signs telling people to keep out of the water? Not specifically why but just a blanket warning?
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
But a lot of cases hinge on what a "reasonable person" would do. I'm not trying to be callous but why would a reasonable person assume a large body of water in FL doesn't contain alligators? Why would a reasonable person have their kid near murky water at dusk?

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there signs telling people to keep out of the water? Not specifically why but just a blanket warning?
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It's also reasonable to assume someone visiting Disney from say, Idaho or Indonesia (or Nebraska) has no clue about how prevalent alligators are in FL freshwater lakes.

Disney had "No Swimming" signs near where the gator snatched the kid, warning of a steep drop off and deep water. But there was no mention specifically about alligators.

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FLVOL_79 said:
I'm not a scientbilogist but when you see gators out they have usually eaten recently. Reptiles, after eating, require the sun to help them metabolize their food. So a reptile out in the daylight most likely isn't going to look at you for food............unless moron tourists have been feeding it..
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Thought it happened when the sun was going down? Gator must have been hungry as hell to come in close to people.
 
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This is a terrible tragedy. It reminds me of another one. I read where a woman in Australia was eaten by a crocodile not too long ago. Her and her friend decided to swim at night. They found the animal with her in it. It seems these sorts of things happen more than I thought.
 
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I can't believe anyone would argue with Lawrence Wright. He is absolutely correct, PEOPLE FROM OUT OF STATE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DANGERS OF ALLIGATORS.

Disney F'd up and I can't believe it took this long for a kid to be killed. It's not assumed that the parents should have known of any dangers, they paid for a safe and fun experience and didn't get it.
 
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VolStrom said:
I can't believe anyone would argue with Lawrence Wright. He is absolutely correct, PEOPLE FROM OUT OF STATE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DANGERS OF ALLIGATORS.

Disney F'd up and I can't believe it took this long for a kid to be killed. It's not assumed that the parents should have known of any dangers, they paid for a safe and fun experience and didn't get it.
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I think it even goes a little further than that. When you visit Disney, you let your guard down. After all Disney is for kids and you have an expectation that if you're in Disney World, you can let your guard down and relax. You expect Disney to do the worrying for you and remove things that may hurt you. That may not be a smart assumption to make but it's one that I'm sure many make.
 
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VolStrom said:
I can't believe anyone would argue with Lawrence Wright. He is absolutely correct, PEOPLE FROM OUT OF STATE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DANGERS OF ALLIGATORS.

Disney F'd up and I can't believe it took this long for a kid to be killed. It's not assumed that the parents should have known of any dangers, they paid for a safe and fun experience and didn't get it.
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Alligators are really safe in the other 49 states
 
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Biopsyman said:
Alligators are really safe in the other 49 states
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Sharks are really sweet and docile also, and Grizzly bears, Mountain lions and Wolves. Rattlers, Copperheads and Water moccasins are just the cutest. Oh and Badgers and Wolverines are so adorable...just like in Disney movies.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Sharks are really sweet and docile also, and Grizzly bears, Mountain lions and Wolves. Rattlers, Copperheads and Water moccasins are just the cutest. Oh and Badgers and Wolverines are so adorable...just like in Disney movies.
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I gotta disagree about the Bears, them things are satanic. Pure evil I tell ya!
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Sharks are really sweet and docile also, and Grizzly bears, Mountain lions and Wolves. Rattlers, Copperheads and Water moccasins are just the cutest. Oh and Badgers and Wolverines are so adorable...just like in Disney movies.
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Add bees too that list as well. The swarm that attacked me yesterday while I was letting my dog out was cute as a button.
 
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