Alligator attacks toddler at lagoon at Disney hotel

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volwindy said:
We actually had photos of people ignoring signs and won a case when someone was injured when there was not a sign in the area stating danger. Or that was their claim that they were injured because there was not a sign.
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There was a woman who snuck into a construction area of the hospital here in Gainesville Georgia. It's a tobacco free campus, but she went in there at night to smoke and fell because there wasn't any lights. She tried to sue for millions because it broke some bones, but lost because there were signs everywhere saying no smoking and tobacco free.
 
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vollygirl said:
"They" who? You're reading the sheriff's comments. Try reading it again slower.
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I know I'm reading the sheriff's comments. I'm sure the family was interviewed by the deputies and seemed to not give a explanation of how the kid ended up near the water. That is probably why he said "somehow".
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Both were accidents and accidents happen. Do you have kids? I wouldn't let my son stand in that water at night but I know that he would run down to the shoreline in a split second which could have gotten him killed just as easily.

I also don't blame Disney in this like many are trying to do. I don't care if they had signs or not. It's a freshwater lake in Florida.

Why do we always have to have someone to blame/sue now? Why do we have to have a sign telling us what should be common sense?
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This is far from a simple case of "common sense", and the highlighted part of your post proves you could use some.

Disney has the obligation to inform its guests of the threat of alligators on property, period.

I'm a native Floridian and know full well not to be anywhere near freshwater lakes at night, but Disney has guests from around the globe visiting every day who don't know that.

The onus is not on the guest to know the risk before visiting, it's on the property owner who's in the business of hosting guests from all corners of the planet...and keeping those guests safe.

Since the attack we learned Disney has been warned about this specific threat on several occasions by guests, and Disney has routinely looked the other way when guests at $2000 a night bungalows on that same lake have been seen feeding the alligators throughout the years.

Disney is at fault.
 
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Here's some required reading for those thinking Disney is not blameless.

ORLANDO (CBSMiami) – A San Diego father is speaking out about the recent alligator attack in Florida that left a 2-year-old dead, saying his son suffered a nearly similar fate at Disney World last year.

The Orange County Sheriff’s Department said searchers recovered the body of a 2-year-old Lane Graves who was snatched by an alligator at Walt Disney World.

The boy was attacked Tuesday night as he waded in the water at the edge of the Seven Seas Lagoon at Disney’s Grand Floridian resort.

San Diego attorney David Hiden says his little boy was approached by an alligator at the Coronado Springs Resort while he and his family were vacationing at a nearby Walt Disney World Resort property in the Orlando Area.

“He was playing, and looking for bugs and stuff. Then, all of a sudden, I looked past his head and I see this alligator, maybe 6 or 7 feet, bee-lining it straight for him.”

Hiden says that gator, which he later snapped a photo of, was about 10 or 15 yards away from his child when Hiden quickly snatched him to safety.

“And at this point, I looked to the left and there’s another alligator about the same size, but closer,” said Hiden.

Hiden says his son’s uncomfortably close encounter with two alligators could have had a far worse outcome.

“Had I been texting or taking photographs or not paying attention, the one on the left would probably have gotten my son,” said Hiden.

As unsettling as that experience was, Hiden was also shocked with the resort management’s reaction when Hiden informed them of his son’s potentially fatal experience.

“The manager couldn’t care less. I remember her words, ‘These are resident pets. They’ve known about them for years, they’re not dangerous, they’re not going to harm anybody,'” said Hiden. “I was very upset, very angry, very shocked and I say, ‘I hope to god I never read about a young kid killed by an alligator like that one almost did to my son.'”

In the wake of this week’s tragedy, a Disney spokesperson says that all of its resort beaches will remain off-limits to guests as Disney reviews its protocols, including signs and warnings.
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More Disney goodness....

Disney World ignored warnings that guests were feeding alligators at the park and the areas along the lagoon where a 2-year-old was snatched, according to reports.

Read: Parents of Boy Killed by Gator Break Their Silence: 'Words Cannot Describe the Shock and Grief'

Guests staying at the swanky Bora Bora Bungalows were reportedly known to frequently feed gators in the same lagoon where Lane Graves lost his life.

The luxurious private villas at Disney's Polynesian Resort rent for $2,000-a-night. They were built on stilts over the 7 Seas Lagoon.

"Disney has known about the problem of guests feeding the alligators," a former employee told TheWrap.com.

He says he recommended a "fence... be erected to protect guests." but he claims his warnings fell on deaf ears.

Guests have been seen feeding gators all over Disney World.

One video showed a Disney World employee fending off an alligator at one of the Magic Kingdom's most popular attractions — Splash Mountain.

Read: Another Boy Photographed Playing in the Same Spot as Lane Graves 30 Minutes Prior to Alligator Attack

The employee pokes the gator with a pole in an attempt to force it back into the water. But the animal is determined to come on land as tourists are enjoying the ride, oblivious to the danger.

Other folks saw what was going on and were amused, one tourist threw popcorn at the gator for a snack, a huge no-no when trying to avoid the predators.

Another video shot at the Coronado Springs Resort shows kids throwing chicken and lettuce at an alligator.
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Lawrence Wright said:
This is far from a simple case of "common sense", and the highlighted part of your post proves you could use some.

Disney has the obligation to inform its guests of the threat of alligators on property, period.

I'm a native Floridian and know full well not to be anywhere near freshwater lakes at night, but Disney has guests from around the globe visiting every day who don't know that.

The onus is not on the guest to know the risk before visiting, it's on the property owner who's in the business of hosting guests from all corners of the planet...and keeping those guests safe.

Since the attack we learned Disney has been warned about this specific threat on several occasions by guests, and Disney has routinely looked the other way when guests at $2000 a night bungalows on that same lake have been seen feeding the alligators throughout the years.

Disney is at fault.
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I am glad I learned to take care of myself in this world and don't have to look for others to blame for my problems.

Is not like an African lion attacked the kid. It was a gator which is native to the area.

If they had signs that said there were gators it still would not have been enough. People would then have found another reason to blame someone. Just the way the world operates now. Nobody is expected the think/work/act for themselves any more.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I am glad I learned to take care of myself in this world and don't have to look for others to blame for my problems.

Is not like an African lion attacked the kid. It was a gator which is native to the area.

If they had signs that said there were gators it still would not have been enough. People would then have found another reason to blame someone. Just the way the world operates now. Nobody is expected the think/work/act for themselves any more.
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Doubling down on stupid I see...

If Disney had signs alerting guest about alligators, and those guests still chose to either feed alligators, or let their children play near lake where alligators could attack, then that's on the guest.

In this case there were no warnings, in spite of previous complaints. That's on Disney.

It's very short sighted of you to suggest that anyone visiting Disney should be inherently aware of alligators posing a threat to their family...for example a family visiting from another state or country where alligators aren't native to the area.

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BigZiti09 said:
Just the way the world operates now. Nobody is expected the think/work/act for themselves any more.
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Your last statement is completely irrelevant to this event. It seems you don't believe the responsibility can be shared. Disney knew of the dangers and failed to convey that to their customers. They are liable
 
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utvolpj said:
Your last statement is completely irrelevant to this event. It seems you don't believe the responsibility can be shared. Disney knew of the dangers and failed to convey that to their customers. They are liable
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It's really not that difficult a concept to grasp.

Or perhaps it is...
 
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2 years ago I pulled into my FL apartment building for the first time and was greeted by the sign below. Maybe cost a couple bucks but it made a great point to a guy who started that day in VA where this wasn't an issue
 

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Lawrence Wright said:
It's really not that difficult a concept to grasp.

Or perhaps it is...
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utvolpj said:
Your last statement is completely irrelevant to this event. It seems you don't believe the responsibility can be shared. Disney knew of the dangers and failed to convey that to their customers. They are liable
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Resident expert on everything is here to tell me how stupid I am.

Disney may be liable and I'm not really arguing that but it won't bring the kid back. Like I said before, I'm glad I don't walk thru life hoping someone puts out signs warning me of native dangers. If I was in a tropical climate anywhere on earth I think I would think twice about my child getting in a body of water after dark. Maybe that's just me though and not everyone with a brain.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Resident expert on everything is here to tell me how stupid I am.

Disney may be liable and I'm not really arguing that but it won't bring the kid back. Like I said before, I'm glad I don't walk thru life hoping someone puts out signs warning me of native dangers. If I was in a tropical climate anywhere on earth I think I would think twice about my child getting in a body of water after dark. Maybe that's just me though and not everyone with a brain.
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You saying that is like me saying BigZiti09 is a seven year old fat italian. It's a ridiculous assumption to make when you have information to tell you otherwise.
 
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I put the blame on Disney. Parents expect to go there and feel safe about their children. Most people outside of the deep south have never seen a gator much less be aware of the danger they present. I'm sure to the parents they would have never gone near that lake had a danger to their child been perceived.
 
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VolStrom said:
I put the blame on Disney. Parents expect to go there and feel safe about their children. Most people outside of the deep south have never seen a gator much less be aware of the danger they present. I'm sure to the parents they would have never gone near that lake had a danger to their child been perceived.
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A two year old is never completely safe around any body of water. Are the parents gonna sue themselves for their share of the responsibility?
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
A two year old is never completely safe around any body of water. Are the parents gonna sue themselves for their share of the responsibility?
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You never let your kid walk and play and splash in ankle deep water at the beach? I did. And I can tell you for a fact, if we were staying at that hotel, and had just watched an outdoor movie they set up for us, I wouldn't have thought twice about letting my little one splash in the water at the resort beach. Guess I'm an unfit mom.
 
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vollygirl said:
You never let your kid walk and play and splash in ankle deep water at the beach? I did. And I can tell you for a fact, if we were staying at that hotel, and had just watched an outdoor movie they set up for us, I wouldn't have thought twice about letting my little one splash in the water at the resort beach. Guess I'm an unfit mom.
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Yes I did. That wasn't my point. If my child was in a wading pool in the back yard that is one thing, but when we went to the beach or lake. I didn't take my eyes off of them when they were that small. And I didn't let them get more than 4-5 feet away from me. I was paranoid that they would trip and fall (you know like toddlers do) and suck in a lungful of water. Lake Buena Vista is not a wading pool in your back yard, it is a pretty big lake. I do think Diz is liable because they didn't have signs warning against Gators, but the family should have been watching the child closer. Don't let your empathy for the parents grief blind you to the fact that they did have some responsibility in the tragedy. I'm not meaning this to sound mean, accidents do happen to children with overprotective parents also.
 
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Here is about a 5 foot gator just hanging out near the parking lot at Magic Kingdom. As a Floridian I know that if there is water there are gators but where this one was there was not a single warning. When I say near parking lot I mean about 30 feet from cars..and he didn't budge as I approached him..
 

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FLVOL_79 said:
Here is about a 5 foot gator just hanging out near the parking lot at Magic Kingdom. As a Floridian I know that if there is water there are gators but where this one was there was not a single warning. When I say near parking lot I mean about 30 feet from cars..and he didn't budge as I approached him..
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BigZit09 thinks signs aren't necessary, because everyone should inherently know that alligators are present in Disney lakes...regardless if you're from Jacksonville, Juneau, Jerusalem or Jakarta.
 
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Took this at work this morning. Just hanging out next to my parking lot
 

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