Alligator attacks toddler at lagoon at Disney hotel

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Lawrence Wright said:
BigZit09 thinks signs aren't necessary, because everyone should inherently know that alligators are present in Disney lakes...regardless if you're from Jacksonville, Juneau, Jerusalem or Jakarta.
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Like I said I don't walk thru life hoping someone goes ahead of me and puts signs out warning me of danger.

If I was in any country on the planet with a tropical climate my two year old wouldn't be standing in a pond after dark. I don't need a sign for that.
 
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Is Disney going to be sued? Yes. Should they have had signs up warning people of alligators? Yes they probably should have. But I'm not sure where it ends if you do that. Do you have to put them everywhere? In every language? At what point have they done enough? My guess is that if there were signs up we would still be hearing about how Disney should have done more. Nobody is ever responsible for anything anymore. It's always someone else's fault. Whether there are signs or not and whether I'm from Tennessee, Florida or that far off and distant land of Nebraska, I have to make the choice whether or not I'm going to let my child swim in a freshwater lake at night in Florida.

Also as a father I feel for the parents of that poor kid. I realize that kids find their way into situations that are dangerous at times. As I've said before I would not let my child stand in that pond, especially after dark but I know my son would run down to that shoreline in an instant and that could put him in danger as well. So at the same time I'm not judging them.

At the end of the day, a two year old boy is dead and it's just a horrific story.

Now I'm going to move along because LW and PJ have to decided to tag team in here and shout down anyone with an opinion different than theirs.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Should they have had signs up warning people of alligators? Yes they probably should have.

Nobody is ever responsible for anything anymore. It's always someone else's fault.
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You just admitted it was at least partially someone else's fault. There's such a thing as shared responsibility

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Now I'm going to move along because LW and PJ have to decided to tag team in here and shout down anyone with an opinion different than theirs.
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I have not raised my voice at all. Go find your safe space
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
BigZit09 thinks signs aren't necessary, because everyone should inherently know that alligators are present in Disney lakes...regardless if you're from Jacksonville, Juneau, Jerusalem or Jakarta.
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This wasn't even a lake, just a ditch with some standing water.

Disney shouldn't assume that people coming to visit aren't dumb as a bag of bricks. When you eat there they ask you twice for food allergies, two safety warnings on tram rides, etc. You'd think they might put up a few warnings about the prehistoric killing machines that roam the land..
 
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utvolpj said:
You just admitted it was at least partially someone else's fault. There's such a thing as shared responsibility



I have not raised my voice at all. Go find your safe space
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You misunderstand me. I never said anything about shared responsibility. You did. As a parent, kids are your responsibility and there's no bringing them back if you end up losing them because you require a sign that wasn't there.

I don't need a safe space. That would be you. I just know how this goes as I've seen you before in other threads with your same old tired act. Hard not to see you considering this board is your life. Have fun today browsing and spewing your nonsense in a dozen different threads. I'm moving on hopefully.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Is Disney going to be sued? Yes. Should they have had signs up warning people of alligators? Yes they probably should have. But I'm not sure where it ends if you do that. Do you have to put them everywhere? In every language? At what point have they done enough? My guess is that if there were signs up we would still be hearing about how Disney should have done more. Nobody is ever responsible for anything anymore. It's always someone else's fault. Whether there are signs or not and whether I'm from Tennessee, Florida or that far off and distant land of Nebraska, I have to make the choice whether or not I'm going to let my child swim in a freshwater lake at night in Florida.

Also as a father I feel for the parents of that poor kid. I realize that kids find their way into situations that are dangerous at times. As I've said before I would not let my child stand in that pond, especially after dark but I know my son would run down to that shoreline in an instant and that could put him in danger as well. So at the same time I'm not judging them.

At the end of the day, a two year old boy is dead and it's just a horrific story.

Now I'm going to move along because LW and PJ have to decided to tag team in here and shout down anyone with an opinion different than theirs.
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I would say common sense dictates you know better than to go in the water in Florida but then again if common sense was more common we'd have a lot less problems in this world.


I also reported the gator I spotted to Disney security to ensure the gator holocaust continues at the Magic Kingdom.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Like I said I don't walk thru life hoping someone goes ahead of me and puts signs out warning me of danger.

If I was in any country on the planet with a tropical climate my two year old wouldn't be standing in a pond after dark. I don't need a sign for that.
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Translation: "I know, so everyone else should know also."

That's not how it works.

You've been consistently wrong throughout this thread, but at least you're consistent.

It's not about you genius, it's about anyone who visits a theme park having a reasonable expectation that management is doing all they can to inform guests of potential safety risks. Disney didn't do that.

I'm glad you don't need signs alerting you to potential danger, because it's clear you already know everything.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Translation: "I know, so everyone else should know also."

That's not how it works.

You've been consistently wrong throughout this thread, but at least you're consistent.

It's not about you genius, it's about anyone who visits a theme park having a reasonable expectation that management is doing all they can to inform guests of potential safety risks. Disney didn't do that.

I'm glad you don't need signs alerting you to potential danger, because it's clear you already know everything.
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Have a nice day LW. Here's hoping you see all the signs that you require to make it through life unscathed. If you don't, I hope you get to sue someone with a lot of money for not alerting you that you are about to do something that is incredibly dumb.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Have a nice day LW. Here's hoping you see all the signs that you require to make it through life unscathed. If you don't, I hope you get to sue someone with a lot of money for not alerting you that you are about to do something that is incredibly dumb.
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I can honestly see both arguments. But I tend to lean this way as well. We should own up to our own stupidity when we are as much responsible as whatever other entity is involved. On the other hand ignorance is not necessarily stupidity, and Disney should assume that there are a lot of people that are unaware of the dangers of Floridas waters. It was irresponsible of the parents to let the kid get too far away from them, alligator or not. It could just as well be a drowning story.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
This wasn't even a lake, just a ditch with some standing water.

Disney shouldn't assume that people coming to visit aren't dumb as a bag of bricks. When you eat there they ask you twice for food allergies, two safety warnings on tram rides, etc. You'd think they might put up a few warnings about the prehistoric killing machines that roam the land..
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I thought it was over on that landscaped lagoon at the grand Floridian? That is not a ditch, that is a part of Lake Buena Vista.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I can honestly see both arguments. But I tend to lean this way as well. We should own up to our own stupidity when we are as much responsible as whatever other entity is involved. On the other hand ignorance is not necessarily stupidity, and Disney should assume that there are a lot of people that are unaware of the dangers of Floridas waters. It was irresponsible of the parents to let the kid get too far away from them, alligator or not. It could just as well be a drowning story.
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Perhaps if Disney bothered to alert guests about alligators on property, then there's a good chance the parents would have decided not to let the 2yr old near that lake. Good chance drowning is off the table if the kid is nowhere near the lake, because there are posted signs warning of alligators.

If Disney bothered to take action after numerous guest complaints about alligators PRIOR to the tragic loss of life last week, they wouldn't be the target of criticism.

This isn't a case of an alleged sue-happy family not paying attention to their kid as much as it is a business that was warned about a specific risk, didn't take action, and as a result they are now liable for a child's death.

If Disney knows there's a threat, it's their obligation to let guests know. They knew and did nothing.

Playing devil's advocate, if Disney had signs on that lake last week and the parent still allowed the kid near the lake, then the child's death is on mom and dad.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I thought it was over on that landscaped lagoon at the grand Floridian? That is not a ditch, that is a part of Lake Buena Vista.
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I think Fl_Vol's point is that in Florida, if there is ANY water, no matter the size, it will attract gators.

Disney needs to put signs warning about the presence of alligators at their hotels which adjoin lakes or ponds - especially if they are going to landscape them with a beach.

I'm not sure where the boundary is for a warning sign to be necessary. Does a beach resort need to put up a sign indicating sharks are in the ocean?
 
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Speaking signs isnt there any that indicate its against the law to feed alligators in Florida ? Last I saw there was a 500 dollar fine if caught and there were comments that people at the resort were seen feeding them
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Not to mention the heat wave we've had here in Orlando. They are out and moving.
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Need to start thinking them out again. So many parks and neighborhoods in Florida either surround, or are surrounded by water, that it is amazing this doesn't happen way more often. There were a couple of 10-12 footers at East bay golf club that were literally laying out on the patio in peoples back doors all the time. I got a bunch of pics on my old phone. On land they aren't real scary. I've shooed them away from my ball a lot of times, but I sure didn't go after many balls laying right at the waterline that's for sure.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Not to mention the heat wave we've had here in Orlando. They are out and moving.
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I'm not a scientbilogist but when you see gators out they have usually eaten recently. Reptiles, after eating, require the sun to help them metabolize their food. So a reptile out in the daylight most likely isn't going to look at you for food............unless moron tourists have been feeding it..
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Perhaps if Disney bothered to alert guests about alligators on property, then there's a good chance the parents would have decided not to let the 2yr old near that lake. Good chance drowning is off the table if the kid is nowhere near the lake, because there are posted signs warning of alligators.

If Disney bothered to take action after numerous guest complaints about alligators PRIOR to the tragic loss of life last week, they wouldn't be the target of criticism.

This isn't a case of an alleged sue-happy family not paying attention to their kid as much as it is a business that was warned about a specific risk, didn't take action, and as a result they are now liable for a child's death.

If Disney knows there's a threat, it's their obligation to let guests know. They knew and did nothing.

Playing devil's advocate, if Disney had signs on that lake last week and the parent still allowed the kid near the lake, then the child's death is on mom and dad.
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As much as it pains me to do so, I agree with the slimy one. :)

Although I will say this, I've had this discussion with my wife, I call it "the dumbing of America ". We have to have a bell or whistle to tell us our every move. A bell goes of when we need to change the oil. Heaven forbid we check it from tune to time. My refrigerator alerts me when I need a filter change. We can't change a tire on our car. We are the most sue happy people in history. It's always someone else's fault. My coffee's hot so I'm suing. It's really sad.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
I think Fl_Vol's point is that in Florida, if there is ANY water, no matter the size, it will attract gators.

Disney needs to put signs warning about the presence of alligators at their hotels which adjoin lakes or ponds - especially if they are going to landscape them with a beach.

I'm not sure where the boundary is for a warning sign to be necessary. Does a beach resort need to put up a sign indicating sharks are in the ocean?
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That is such a great point!
 
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In TN we don't have any sharks that aren't in aquariums but I know better than to swim in the ocean after sunset. I do not need a sign to tell me that. Even completely ignoring the idea that gators could be in that big a body of water there are lots of other concerns. Cottonmouths, copperheads, rattlers, mosquitos/ticks, leeches, that crazy brain amoeba, etc. Plenty of stuff in FL to ruin your day.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
In TN we don't have any sharks that aren't in aquariums but I know better than to swim in the ocean after sunset. I do not need a sign to tell me that. Even completely ignoring the idea that gators could be in that big a body of water there are lots of other concerns. Cottonmouths, copperheads, rattlers, mosquitos/ticks, leeches, that crazy brain amoeba, etc. Plenty of stuff in FL to ruin your day.
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Gee thanks, I'm going down there next weekend! Haha
 
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