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#11,753
Velo Vol said:
I'm picking up on that now.

Abortion isn't one of my core interests, however your suggestion that Roe isn't necessarily dead in this court got me to thinking about it and what an overturning would do to the Court's legitimacy.

As far as a more narrowly tailored decision goes, I'm not sure how much more space there is to bend but not break on Roe.

Casey strikes me as a moderate decision in line with public opinion--it allows reasonable restrictions (not abortion on demand), but a woman who wants an abortion can get one
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Oh absolutely it has consequences for the court’s legitimacy. Even Hyatt, which was a pretty mundane issue, being overturned convinced 3 or 4 states that it’s open season on prior rulings.

I also think that this rush to the draconian laws that got passed may also make change much harder as Roberts will likely think twice about voting with the conservatives on it if he thinks there will be an avalanche of attempts to get this court to overrule other prior decisions.

Saying I don’t value the right to privacy is inarticulate. I don’t see abortion as falling so squarely within that right as to merit constitutional protection. Subtle difference, I guess, but the way I said it sounded bad.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
The NYT is BS too. I didn't mention Twitter or Facebook. I said youtube. You know, that video server that has original video.
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I hope at some point in the future that you and your ilk acquire the capacity to recognize self awareness and that you are what you claim to despise.

YouTube has taken down videos of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) doctored to make her seem drunk from its platform, saying that the posts “violated our policies.”

You got pranked.

Again.
 
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evillawyer said:
Pelosi is an obstructionist! ... but I won't sign anything into law until you stop congressional oversight.

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The fact he'd say this today after one of his own caused the Disaster Relief Bill to be delayed is almost too much. The irony is palpable.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
BS. Does he control Google too? Because any video of her during this sitdown interview on youtube I can find sounds exactly the same.
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You have to understand the rules as established by the liberal elite. 1) Fake news about the right was never condoned or produced officially by Dims. 2) Fake news targeting the left is always the official work of the GOP.

For the rest of us: the GOP is at least as mentally competent as Dims. Dims control pretty much all of the everyday/all-day "news" outlets and aren't about to let fake news slip by. Doesn't make sense that the GOP would manufacture and sanction fake news. The GOP has enough on it's hands doing damage control for what Trump and Giuliani say without thinking.
 
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golfballs said:
Not sure what planet you've been logging on to VN from for the last two years, but you clearly ignore the MUH Russiagate and the Trump Hysteria thread as much as possible.
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Septic logs in from the Twilight Zone - his home state.
 
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hog88 said:
There was a mountain of unexplained crap that went on in Libya/Benghazi compared to the rabbit turds you guys keep slinging. But keep on slinging.
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😂 You already giving up on the “Obama/Hillary and Trump are equal” and “I still give them the benefit of the doubt,” ********?

I think you need to remind yourself of the context of the conversation you joined, because this is hardly a relevant point to make. In fact, it seems like the type of windsock argument deployed by somebody engaging out of sheer butthurt. I think at this point we’re more likely to prove my post from yesterday about the futility of attempting good faith discussions with people whose heads explode at the mildest criticism of their orange skinned overlord.

Have a great weekend and see if you can kill that bug up your ass.
 
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@NorthDallas40

Re: the fiscal stuff.

In general I agree with you although it’s more from a desire for limited government and fiscal conservatism than any particular thoughts on abortion, as its not an issue I’m very familiar with.
 
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hog88 said:
He's grandstanding and just running his mouth. I said earlier that it would not surprise me to see him run against Trump in the primary or a 3rd party, he's just ginning up notoriety for his run.

He's nothing but a blowhard without taking action on what he believes.
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It's funny how much you hate the actual small govetnment conservatives.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's funny how much you hate the actual small govetnment conservatives.
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I hope Amash is the person you say he is. We desperately need someone to carry the torch of small government and fiscal responsibility. I am cynical. One concern, he seems to be uninterested in selling (promoting) his views on a regular basis and to a national audience. Perhaps that is more to do with not finding media to willing put a microphone and camera on him. Amash could learn a thing from Trump when it comes to publicity.
 
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McDad said:
I hope Amash is the person you say he is. We desperately need someone to carry the torch of small government and fiscal responsibility. I am cynical. One concern, he seems to be uninterested in selling (promoting) his views on a regular basis and to a national audience. Perhaps that is more to do with not finding media to willing put a microphone and camera on him. Amash could learn a thing from Trump when it comes to publicity.
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He's got a consistent record. Establishment R's have been peddling this lie that he votes with Pelosi for at least 5 years now

A fellow Michigan Republican, Rep. Mike Rogers, said Amash is "completely out of line with" voters in his district.

"He votes more with the Democrats than with the Republicans, and that’s not out of principle, that’s out of him branding himself as something different," said Rogers, who has contributed $5,000 to Amash’s primary opponent, Brian Ellis.

Amash’s countered: "I vote less often with (House Minority Leader) Nancy Pelosi, the real San Francisco Democrat, than any member of Congress."

Pelosi’s profile page says the Republican she least often votes with is, indeed, Amash. The two have been on the same side of just 22 percent of votes.
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Does tea party favorite Justin Amash vote more often with Democrats or Republicans?
 
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McDad said:
Do you know if the "promoter/face/salesperson" of a idealogy is not really his style?
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Is he going to be able to sell liberty and small government? No. The ideas are not popular. Forget about unapologetic big government types, many people who pay small gov ideas lip service don't support them when push comes to shove. They're even hostile towards their proponents
 
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n_huffhines said:
Is he going to be able to sell liberty and small government? No. The ideas are not popular. Forget about unapologetic big government types, many people who pay small gov ideas lip service don't support them when push comes to shove.
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That's a shame because that's what it takes.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Has anybody ever been able to sell these ideas to the masses? I don't think it's possible
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Arguably, Reagan and Newt Gingrinch. Granted it was mostly lip service but the public bought it.
I think there are more fiscal folks than what we're told. I think it can be sold in increments. The chances ate slim to none our gargantuan defense and welfare budgets can be scraped anytime soon, though.
 
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McDad said:
Arguably, Reagan and Newt Gingrinch. Granted it was mostly lip service but the public bought it.
I think there are more fiscal folks than what we're told. I think it can be sold in increments. The chances ate slim to none our gargantuan defense and welfare budgets can be scraped anytime soon, though.
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Newt Gingrich never won more than a congressional district, right? Reagan beat a relatively small government D then grew the government with R's cheering all along the way. Goldwater did OK, but I think a lot of his popularity had to do with his being opposed to CRA and feminism.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Newt Gingrich never won more than a congressional district, right? Reagan beat a relatively small government D then grew the government with R's cheering all along the way. Goldwater did OK, but I think a lot of his popularity had to do with his being opposed to CRA and feminism.
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Gingrich was an extremely powerful person. He was a highly effective speaker of the house. His personal life cost him all future political ambitions.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Newt Gingrich never won more than a congressional district, right? Reagan beat a relatively small government D then grew the government with R's cheering all along the way. Goldwater did OK, but I think a lot of his popularity had to do with his being opposed to CRA and feminism.
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Newt ran on the "Contract with America". Essentially nationalized the Congressional elections which are/were local before that event.

Like i said, it was lip service (with Reagan too) but the public bought it.
 
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McDad said:
Arguably, Reagan and Newt Gingrinch. Granted it was mostly lip service but the public bought it.
I think there are more fiscal folks than what we're told. I think it can be sold in increments. The chances ate slim to none our gargantuan defense and welfare budgets can be scraped anytime soon, though.
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Wasn't there a bipartisan, like actually bipartisan, proposal given to the Obama administration several years back on the debt and spending? Seems like Sherrod Brown was on it, I don't remember for sure, and another Republican dude. But they had a plan, and it was basically laughed out of DC by both parties.
Neither party is interested in reducing spending or the debt. "Small c" conservatives will have to go the third-party route. And I'm not sure the two-party system will ever end.
 
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