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Burger said:
I don't think there are any leftist in this forum. There's Democrats, but not leftist.
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What's the difference between a leftist, a liberal, or a progressive? I will agree that the more popular "left" twist on VN right now is all about bashing Trump rather than going deep off the left end, but not so long ago the socialist rapture was strong in a certain few here.
 
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AM64 said:
What's the difference between a leftist, a liberal, or a progressive? I will agree that the more popular "left" twist on VN right now is all about bashing Trump rather than going deep off the left end, but not so long ago the socialist rapture was strong in a certain few here.
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A liberal is someone who believes in expanding civil liberties. They would be pro-gun, pro-freedom of speech, and basically pro-liberty in terms of social values.
A progressive is someone who believes in going towards a direction of a Social Democracy. This would include stuff like Medicare for All, expanding union rights, protectionism, and things up this alley. Examples would be the Roosevelts. Keep in mind that Republicans used to be a progressive party.
A leftist is someone who inches closer to actual socialism. These are the types who are the SJWs that are extremely annoying. This is where you get the asinine open borders crap.

Neoliberals are basically Republicans as funny as it is. These are the Democrats who are bought off by big money donors who screwed over much of their areas in the name of the almighty corporation.
 
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AM64 said:
Are you as triggered about "Little Miss Priss" contests? Or do you believe those kids have the necessary cognitive skills to act 6 going on 23? I supposed the arts are going to take a real hit if you leftists have to face up to you hypocrisy and apply it evenly across the board instead of simple selective outrage. And by the way, I'd bet an imaginative 8 year old could pick up some pretty good clues on political parody from SNL ... after all, most libs can't tell the difference between some of their fakes and the real person.
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There is no hope for any decent conversation when you refer to centrist, conservative leaning posters like Hill as leftists. If you aren't lock step in line with anything and everything Trump, you hate America. Sad.
 
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MercyPercy said:
There is no hope for any decent conversation when you refer to centrist, conservative leaning posters like Hill as leftists. If you aren't lock step in line with anything and everything Trump, you hate America. Sad.
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I reread volfanhill's posts, and I apparently mistook his message ... not as one more critical of the parents than as someone being critical of AOC. My mistake. I'm one of those people who never remember names well enough to peg comments to the poster, and that sometimes makes it hard to figure out someone's intentions in posts. So I'll just apologize in advance (and retrospectively) for when I get it wrong.

The thing is that there isn't usually a lot of "cross platform" conversation here or anywhere else because we as a society have pretty much fixed our views. While I may view Burger's definition of "liberal" as the correct one, and I generally lean liberal on many social issues, I also see that those more left on the political spectrum have adopted and corrupted liberalism to something far more extreme and unrecognizable. For example, I'm kinda hard headed and believe there are two sexes and they are set at birth ... if someone is confused about his/her sex that's a personal not a societal issue and doesn't entitle that person to special status or flexibility in which restroom to use.

My biggest defining issue is simply that I don't believe any faction - political, religious, ethnic, ... - has a right to define us or set the agenda for the rest of us. As I've said before forced tolerance is absolute intolerance whether it be sexual preference, a position such as medical care is a right, or the thought of reparations or rejecting "symbolism" to address the past. We are individuals and as individuals we have the absolute right to formulate and/or adopt "policy" and not have state or ideological preferences shoved down our throats ... I tend to get agitated and vocal when that happens. And as individuals we are responsible for our own well being and owed nothing more than the equal opportunity to make something of ourselves. Since most forced tolerance of and support for something comes from the progressive and socialist view (as defined by Burger) and the "bleeding heart liberal" view that I've known my entire life ... I generally lump them together and use the terms interchangeably. I apologize if that offends. I don't apologize in any respect for my stand against forced tolerance of any party line.

Oh, and one other thing. Many people here point out that some posts are too long, but it's really hard to have a conversation rather than just make points when you only accept business type abbreviated bullet type BS. Again I forget the name, but I think the poster with our last idiot AD in the avatar or whatever you call that little picture block would agree.
 
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Odds are this is vaporwear, but if it happens it seems newsworthy.



"We’re going to be announcing something very shortly, a favored nations clause. As you know, for years and years other nations paid less for drugs than we do. Sometimes by 60-70 percent.

"We’re working on it right now, we’re working on a favored nations clause, where we pay whatever the lowest nation’s price is.
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