Amy Coney Barrett Supreme Court

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hog88 said:
Profit is what makes our healthcare the best in the world.

If you had a life threatening condition and could go anywhere in the world for treatment, where would you go?
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No it’s not. Aren’t you one of the ones that is so very worried about how shutdowns affect people mentally and physically? What do you think a system that bankrupts you upon onset of illness does to mental and physical health? What do you think a system that can see you and your family’s coverage dropped in an instant does? Want to delve into those numbers?
 
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OHvol40 said:
I understand that rather than cutting actual clinical staff we should be cutting the ancillary staff that are carried on the backs of patients and clinical workers. Half of “healthcare” employees are non-clinical. Medical coders and billers, sales reps, hospital executives, insurance jobs... all unnecessary wastes that drive up the cost for patients and solely rely on healthcare as a for-profit industry.
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LMAO, those coder and billers and executives are because of the stringent requirements of the bureaucratic government, which both drives up the cost of certain things, depresses the ability to make deals to make things cheaper for the patient because of Medicare/Medicaid/ACA requirements, and causes pricing based on which community your hospital is located in, which is also because of the government... Throw in the the asisine hospital penalty costs for things like "pain satisfaction" and "flu shot mandates" and it's even more money.

I work at a non-profit level 1 trauma center, and compared to the VA and other government ran facilities, our healthcare is extremely well priced.

Also doctors and nurses don't work for free and wouldn't either in your dream world
 
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LOL .... Harris is speaking sir ............ Harris is speaking............ stop the world ........... Harris is speaking.

Somebody please que up the puking emoji. :cool:
 
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So it looks like they realize attacking her on her faith is a bad narrative so they’re gonna use the hearings to re-litigate the ACA and imply an opinion she would offer if seated. Safe argument but it won’t be convincing.

They should just vote and move it to the floor. We all know it’s going to be split on party lines.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I understand that rather than cutting actual clinical staff we should be cutting the ancillary staff that are carried on the backs of patients and clinical workers. Half of “healthcare” employees are non-clinical. Medical coders and billers, sales reps, hospital executives, insurance jobs... all unnecessary wastes that drive up the cost for patients and solely rely on healthcare as a for-profit industry.
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Do you know of a government ran program that requires less of those positions you just named off ...or more ?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You need a lot of work on your reading comprehension. I agree that the abject poor, the homeless, the drug addicts, etc., are not signing up for the ACA. They did not pay for healthcare before. They are not paying for it under the ACA. They will not pay anything under whatever comes next.

But by getting the working poor to pay SOMETHING and thereby giving increased access to primary care for that population short of the hospital ER has a benefit to everyone. The ACA broadened the base of those paying something into the system and it increased efficiencies.

Every proposal floated by the GOP has always had three problems inherent in them. First, it massively benefits insurers at the expense of those with preexisting conditions. Second, it eventually bankrupts them if the condition is serious and puts them onto Medicaid. Third, it does not get to the root problem which is part and parcel of what you wrote -- if you are unlucky enough to be sick and lose your coverage for any reason, including reasons out of your hands, you are doomed to get substandard care and eventually no care.
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You have lost your mind if you think the pennies on the dollar that the poor pay for ACA comes close to offsetting the increased price, increased deductibles, and worse coverage the 90% of insured people received due to ACA.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
LMAO, those coder and billers and executives are because of the stringent requirements of the bureaucratic government, which both drives up the cost of certain things, depresses the ability to make deals to make things cheaper for the patient because of Medicare/Medicaid/ACA requirements, and causes pricing based on which community your hospital is located in, which is also because of the government... Throw in the the asisine hospital penalty costs for things like "pain satisfaction" and "flu shot mandates" and it's even more money.

I work at a non-profit level 1 trauma center, and compared to the VA and other government ran facilities, our healthcare is extremely well priced.

Also doctors and nurses don't work for free and wouldn't either in your dream world
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The “non-profit” label is a joke. Just a way to skirt what should be owed in taxes based on a “scientific” designation. UPMC is the largest employer in the state of PA with $20 billion in revenue, buying up private hospitals from Harrisburg to Erie to Pittsburgh. Non-profit creating a regional provider/insurance monopoly in the name of “science”. Give me a break.
 
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OHvol40 said:
The “non-profit” label is a joke. Just a way to skirt what should be owed in taxes based on a “scientific” designation. UPMC is the largest employer in the state of PA with $20 billion in revenue, buying up private hospitals from Harrisburg to Erie to Pittsburgh. Non-profit creating a regional provider/insurance monopoly in the name of “science”. Give me a break.
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If you say so, seems you are the anti-research, anti-science one on this topic and ignore reality based on your "feelings" on the subject.

We offer the best healthcare for a reason and have made huge scientific breakthroughs on our campus as well, and have innovative programs on fighting real issues in healthcare that hospitals from Vandy, Emory, and some from California, Colorado, Ohio, and in your state have come to try and copy due to our successes.

But keeping thinking that top healthcare comes from socialized medicine and that the best doctors will work for free :rolleyes:
 
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0nelilreb said:
No No .. give us an answer to my question . We all know the truth we are just wanting to see if you will admit it .
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You don’t understand I guess. None of those people would be required because they all require healthcare to be a for-profit industry. Not a difficult concept.
 
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OHvol40 said:
You don’t understand I guess. None of those people would be required because they all require healthcare to be a for-profit industry. Not a difficult concept.
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I understand you are being either naive or disingenuous when it comes to all government ran programs . The words bloated bureaucracy is a reputation that was earned and the federal government isn’t the largest employer in the nation for no reason
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
If you say so, seems you are the anti-research, anti-science one on this topic and ignore reality based on your "feelings" on the subject.

We offer the best healthcare for a reason and have made huge scientific breakthroughs on our campus as well, and have innovative programs on fighting real issues in healthcare that hospitals from Vandy, Emory, and some from California, Colorado, Ohio, and in your state have come to try and copy due to our successes.

But keeping thinking that top healthcare comes from socialized medicine and that the best doctors will work for free :rolleyes:
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Based on what? I see Oxford in phase III trials for a covid vaccine, they aren’t held back. You represent a farce.
 
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