Amy Coney Barrett Supreme Court

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evillawyer said:
But that's false. We don't have the best healthcare in the world ... unless you qualify it by saying "for those who can afford it."

It'd be like saying Saudi Arabia has the best housing in the world because the homes of the royal family are more grand and outlandish than any other homes in the world. Great for the royal family, but that says nothing about the housing for the people of Saudi Arabia at large.
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Good God .......... that's a pathetic answer. You need more coffee to focus better.
 
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0nelilreb said:
The government is not now nor ever has been set up to run a business model program . All business model programs have to operate with a budget and pay the price of going under if they don’t . The government runs bad programs off of bad models continuously because they have no repercussions. The other thing we all know is once health care for all goes into effect the government will be done with it as far as making it efficient.
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OHvol40 said:
Trust me, the for profit industry makes sure you aren’t getting the best care you can. They understaff nurses to dangerous levels, spread way too thin. They push you out of the hospital, sometimes too soon, to both increase their profit from your stay and to keep the assembly line of patients (revenue factory) rolling through. They don’t buy the best materials or equipment for your care, they buy the cheapest that they can get away with. A lot of improvisation happens, yes, even in surgery.

So if your contention is that the govt run system wouldn’t be better, the bar is pretty low. Plus, you can go bankrupt with a cancer diagnosis or heart condition in our system, so there’s that.
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I know all about how the our health care is set up my whole family is in the health care business. NGV is an ICU travel nurse . Hospitals are ran on a business model you would get better care with less cost if Drs and hospitals weren’t allowed to run and be paid for by the government all those extra tests that aren’t needed . We see how bloated the system will be right now with the extra paperwork that’s required for ACA and anything the government has to pay for . You aren’t going to convince me that those costs will decrease or the hospitals will become more effective or efficient under full government control .
 
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OHvol40 said:
There are a lot of better systems. Much of Europe, Australia, Japan, Canada... take your pick.
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If Canada's is so great, why do 52k Canadians flee to the US for medical attention each year? Oh, that's right: their universal, government ran, single payer system leads to significant delays in access to quality care. Similar situations regarding lengthy delays basically everywhere that has adopted a universal care system.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I know all about how the our health care is set up my whole family is in the health care business. NGV is an ICU travel nurse . Hospitals are ran on a business model you would get better care with less cost if Drs and hospitals weren’t allowed to run and be paid for by the government all those extra tests that aren’t needed . We see how bloated the system will be right now with the extra paperwork that’s required for ACA and anything the government has to pay for . You aren’t going to convince me that those costs will decrease or the hospitals will become more effective or efficient under full government control .
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I just told you why. If you’re impervious to certitude, so be it.
 
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BisonVol said:
If Canada's is so great, why do 52k Canadians flee to the US for medical attention each year? Oh, that's right: their universal, government ran, single payer system leads to significant delays in access to quality care. Similar situations regarding lengthy delays basically everywhere that has adopted a universal care system.
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86% of Canadians approve of their healthcare system, 47% of Americans do. Next.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I just told you why. If you’re impervious to certitude, so be it.
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I just told you that history isn’t on your side with facts about government ran programs . How is it possible then that a program that will instantly become one of the largest federal ran programs in this country will become better , more efficient and effective when the government can’t run smaller programs without ruining them ? Your logic is flawed
 
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Open up healthcare to go across state lines.

Allow 1.5 percent in profits based on operating budget to be kept back. Over 1.5 goes back to insureds as rebates on premiums.

Open high risk pool that all health care companies must contribute to that is designed for people with pre existing conditions. Premiums will be income based and capped at a certain percentage.

Make all health insurance pre tax deductible.

Allow for major medical policies only that are also pre tax.
 
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OHvol40 said:
What does that have to do with healthcare, Napoleon?
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I've seen healthcare systems elsewhere. It ain't all sunshine and unicorns like you want to portray. Some things are better and some are a lot are worse than ours. But by all means, go down to Colombia and have your girlfriends breasts done. It's cheap there.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
And how many Canadians come south for procedures they have to wait for in Canada?

Ours was great until ZeroCare.
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It was better/less expensive for those with insurance, for those that needed healthcare in between jobs or due to no job it was really bad.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I just told you that history isn’t on your side with facts about government ran programs . How is it possible then that a program that will instantly become one of the largest federal ran programs in this country will become better , more efficient and effective when the government can’t run smaller programs without ruining them ? Your logic is flawed
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Yes they can. They run programs all the time that nobody has gripes about until conservatives bastardize them in the name of small government and then say “look, they fail”. It’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard to actually be able to choose who represents you and turn around and claim you can’t trust them to run anything. Flawed logic? Lol
 
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VolStrom said:
It was better/less expensive for those with insurance, for those that needed healthcare in between jobs or due to no job it was really bad.
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True. The lie of "If you like your doctor..." kicked as many people off of their coverage as it added though. And yes there is some hyperbole in there as I don't have the stats, but I know several that got punted because of the ZeroCare lies.
 
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