An American Muslim discusses 9/11 and the mosque

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Those of you opposed to the mosque because you think it is the Muslim community thumbing its nose at us, or that believe that Islam's goal is to undo America, need to take a few minutes, open your minds, and read this.

You won't.

But you should.


Can be found at http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/08/19/patriotic_muslim_american_on_the_mosque_mess/index.html





I am a lifelong resident of Middletown, N.J., the town that lost more victims per capita on 9/11 than anyplace in the state, and the second hardest hit city after New York. Almost 50 of our neighbors died that day, in a town of 60,000. Most of those who died worked at Cantor Fitzgerald. Although I was only 18, I was an enlisted medic with the New Jersey National Guard on that day, and I wound up on many Homeland Security missions in my four-year stint after the attack. My older brother commissioned as a U.S. Army officer after Sept. 11, and was awarded a Purple Heart during his service in Iraq. To this day he has shrapnel lodged in his body from the IED that blew up his convoy.

My brother and I are also Muslim Americans, born in the United States, of Pakistani heritage.

In our town, the wounds of 9/11 haven't healed. Just this last July 4, I sat with a longtime friend as he cried about a mutual friend who died that day. With tears in his eyes, he thanked me and my brother for our service to our country. Now that we have returned home to New Jersey, my brother and I are sad to see that some of our fellow Americans would like to deprive us of our rights to pray for our country and our loved ones at the proposed Muslim Cultural Center near ground zero. Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich even said that building a mosque in that area would be analogous to having a Nazi sign next to the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Maybe Gingrich should visit Middletown and get a reality check. I do not remember anyone chasing me out of a funeral for one of the 9/11 victims because they were offended by my being a Muslim. In Middletown, we grieved the people we lost together, as a community.

Our town is close-knit, and many of my childhood friends still reside here. I attended public school in Middletown from kindergarten through high school. I went to grammar school birthday parties, Little League games, bar mitzvahs, proms and now weddings with the same large yet close group of friends. My first cousins are Jewish, as is my older brother's fiancée. Another first cousin's last name is Plumb and he is half Irish. My older brother graduated from the local Catholic high school. One of his classmates died on 9/11. He'd been born on the 4th of July; in fact, he's the same person our friend wept remembering on this past Independence Day. A close high school friend's father also died in the attacks. I see her from time to time, and she is one of the most remarkable people I know, carrying on with her life the way she does. I still see the pain of family members and those who lost loved ones, or who escaped from the vicinity of the World Trade Center.
In the direct aftermath of the attacks, friends and neighbors checked up on my family, not because they were suspicious, but because they wanted to make sure we were OK. When I am introduced at family or Christmas parties I never hear a bigoted remark. You could always tell how proud my friends and their parents were of me, "This is Osman, he is in the service."

In Middletown, I belong. But beyond Middletown, it seems as though some people can't even conceive of my existence: a Muslim American who is a patriot, who served his country, who cherishes its ideals. I am also aware of the low public perception of the United States in many Muslim countries, including Pakistan. After I graduated from law school, I decided to work as an American, building a school on the Pakistani side of Kashmir, an area where terrorists roam freely. As I got on the plane to fly to Islamabad, my mother told me, "Show them what an American is." Carrying an American flag in my backpack and traveling dangerous roads and mountains, I helped establish a school for Afghan war refugees.

I remember teaching a young girl how to read; she was 11 years old and had never been to school before. Pulling out the American flag from my backpack, I wanted to make sure she knew Middletown, and America, meant her no harm. Later, Pakistan’s national broadcast channel came to interview me. During the interview I told them that American aid was coming to build more of these schools, thanks to the Kerry-Lugar aid bill, passed just prior to my arrival in the area, which funded school construction in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Schools like this keep our troops safe in Afghanistan by limiting the recruiting ability of the Taliban and al-Qaida in Pakistan, as local people begin to see that Americans have a humanitarian mission, they are not just invaders.

I see the impulse that drove me to work as an American in Kashmir in the desire to build the Park51 Community Center. Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf and his partners want to combat Muslim extremism, terrorism and anti-Americanism, showing that America’s tradition of religious tolerance extends to Muslims, and that Muslims can live in peace with neighbors of every religion, as well. Imam Rauf, a Sufi, is no "extremist"; he advised the State Department under the past Bush administration, and worked with the FBI after 9/11. Every religion has its own group of fanatics, and extremism is not confined to Islam. New York Rep. Peter King, a Park51 opponent, not too long ago overtly supported efforts to raise money to buy weapons for the Irish Republican Army, which was considered a terrorist organization. We can take strange sections out of every religion's holy books, if we want to paint the worst picture of that particular group.

I believe Rauf's goal with Park51 is in harmony with the goals of our nation's founders. George Washington himself once wrote to a Jewish congregation in Rhode Island, reassuring them of our nation's religious tolerance. "For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support." I flew halfway around the world to promote that great vision, and my brother came close to giving his life to protect it.

George Washington also reminded us to guard against the "imposters of pretended patriotism." Mr. Gingrich and Mrs. Palin: Please do not confuse the public and slander all Muslim-Americans as being responsible for 9/11. Please don't tell my shrapnel-scarred war hero brother that he is no different than the 9/11 hijackers. Sadly, you represent the very spirit of intolerance you attack in others.


I have no doubt that there are Muslims that love this country and have nothing but her best interest at heart. I will fight for these peoples right to live free and worsip freely also. I also recognize and pay tribute to these families service and sacrifice.
However , i am not naive enough to think that there are many out there, American citizens included, that applauded that day in Sept. and said we got what we deserved.
So i feel a couple questions are appropriate. dont you?
1) who is building this, what is their background and what is their intent.
2) Where is the funding coming from.
3) Why is the name Cordoba being used, because we have see that the name Cordoba is a reference to a battle for Cordoba Spain in which the Islamic people defeated the Christian inhabitants that was there. How can you not see this as an obvious jab at a percieved Muslim victory in that city?
4) Why would Hamas leadership(Terrorists) insist that this Mosque must be built there?

Fact is its hard to get unbiased news these days, i think we can all agree on that point but Salon.com is a very liberal posting.

In closing I did read your story lawgator and that side of the argument deserves to be presented also. I would just ask you to research the people behind Salon.com , George Soros and the companies that he funds directly or indirectly and see if they have a motive. some off the top of my head.
1) Joyce foundation - which i noticed the other day is a sponsor of PBS (thats a nice perversion of whats supposed to be unbiased TV)
2) Tides foundation
3) emerald Cities
4) Shore bank
5) Center for American Progress
just to name a few.
This man has a great deal to do with driving policy and guess what , he isn't elected just very powerful and rich. You may agree with everything these people think but i do not and i would argue vehemently our Founders would not either.

For someone that is using George Washington as a reference the people presenting the article sure do don't uphold the founders ideals of self governance and responsibility instead of rellying on government for everything. Also it seems that like Obama many in this camp see the Constitution as a "Charter of Negative Liberties" because it hinders the power the governmenty can have and doesn't allow them to impose their policy on me and my family like they wish. (which this is now being "fundamentally transformed"

I do understand the right to worship of course , but that is only if you can do that without harming someone else or hinder another rights.

You and i may disagree and I may be wrong in some of my points but i think that common sense is enough to guide one to question the motives of the building of this Mosque.

Lets just be honest here, Given their long and very recent history of violence, radicalism, hatespeech, attempted bombings and 911 how can we not question this. I guess i can either be Naive or percieved as a Bigot by your side. i guess, as usual, go ahead and wrongfully paint me a Bigot.
 
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I have no doubt that there are Muslims that love this country and have nothing but her best interest at heart. I will fight for these peoples right to live free and worsip freely also. I also recognize and pay tribute to these families service and sacrifice.
However , i am not naive enough to think that there are many out there, American citizens included, that applauded that day in Sept. and said we got what we deserved.
So i feel a couple questions are appropriate. dont you?
1) who is building this, what is their background and what is their intent.
2) Where is the funding coming from.
3) Why is the name Cordoba being used, because we have see that the name Cordoba is a reference to a battle for Cordoba Spain in which the Islamic people defeated the Christian inhabitants that was there. How can you not see this as an obvious jab at a percieved Muslim victory in that city?
4) Why would Hamas leadership(Terrorists) insist that this Mosque must be built there?

Fact is its hard to get unbiased news these days, i think we can all agree on that point but Salon.com is a very liberal posting.

In closing I did read your story lawgator and that side of the argument deserves to be presented also. I would just ask you to research the people behind Salon.com , George Soros and the companies that he funds directly or indirectly and see if they have a motive. some off the top of my head.
1) Joyce foundation - which i noticed the other day is a sponsor of PBS (thats a nice perversion of whats supposed to be unbiased TV)
2) Tides foundation
3) emerald Cities
4) Shore bank
5) Center for American Progress
just to name a few.
This man has a great deal to do with driving policy and guess what , he isn't elected just very powerful and rich. You may agree with everything these people think but i do not and i would argue vehemently our Founders would not either.

For someone that is using George Washington as a reference the people presenting the article sure do don't uphold the founders ideals of self governance and responsibility instead of rellying on government for everything. Also it seems that like Obama many in this camp see the Constitution as a "Charter of Negative Liberties" because it hinders the power the governmenty can have and doesn't allow them to impose their policy on me and my family like they wish. (which this is now being "fundamentally transformed"

I do understand the right to worship of course , but that is only if you can do that without harming someone else or hinder another rights.

You and i may disagree and I may be wrong in some of my points but i think that common sense is enough to guide one to question the motives of the building of this Mosque.

Lets just be honest here, Given their long and very recent history of violence, radicalism, hatespeech, attempted bombings and 911 how can we not question this. I guess i can either be Naive or percieved as a Bigot by your side. i guess, as usual, go ahead and wrongfully paint me a Bigot.

THIS is what this is all about! Any peace loving Muslim would understand the outrage and move the dang site.
 

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I don't care where they build their mosque...as long as it's not at Ground Zero. Would anyone here disagree that it is just morally wrong? It's the same as if the KKK decided to build a cultural center at the bombing site of the 16th street baptist church in Birmingham. It's just wrong! It has nothing to do with whether they are peaceful "American loving" muslims or not. I would say a majority of those muslims who live in America are peaceful and love this country but that doesn't change the fact that there were thousands of Americans killed on that spot at the hand of terrorists who proclaimed Allah as their god.
 
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I am just wondering how far away from Ground Zero is far enough. I mean, it's not across the street, it's three or four blocks away.

That is not an invitation for you idiotic racist douchebags to tell me that 4000 miles away in X is far enough, I get it, you don't like Muslims.

Serious question though, how much farther away?
 
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I am just wondering how far away from Ground Zero is far enough. I mean, it's not across the street, it's three or four blocks away.

That is not an invitation for you idiotic racist douchebags to tell me that 4000 miles away in X is far enough, I get it, you don't like Muslims.

Serious question though, how much farther away?

i'd say a couple of miles would be more than fine.
 
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I am just wondering how far away from Ground Zero is far enough. I mean, it's not across the street, it's three or four blocks away.

That is not an invitation for you idiotic racist douchebags to tell me that 4000 miles away in X is far enough, I get it, you don't like Muslims.

Serious question though, how much farther away?

I know you're probably not trying to start an argument here. If you were you probably would have made some kind of stereotypical statement and referred to someone as racist or idiotic...maybe even douchebag. I'm glad you didn't do that.

To answer your question. I would say far enough away to no be considered close to ground zero. NYC has many buildings and areas in which they could develop. I don't know how this confuses you.
 
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I know you're probably not trying to start an argument here. If you were you probably would have made some kind of stereotypical statement and referred to someone as racist or idiotic...maybe even douchebag. I'm glad you didn't do that.

To answer your question. I would say far enough away to no be considered close to ground zero. NYC has many buildings and areas in which they could develop. I don't know how this confuses you.

Are you a racist douchebag? If the answer is no then I don't see what your problem is. Perhaps you should read the myriad other threads that simply erupt into pages upon pages of Muslim bashing before you judge me. Sound good?
 
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I am just wondering how far away from Ground Zero is far enough. I mean, it's not across the street, it's three or four blocks away.

That is not an invitation for you idiotic racist douchebags to tell me that 4000 miles away in X is far enough, I get it, you don't like Muslims.

Serious question though, how much farther away?

I get your point and can understand it, if it were me I would build it elsewhere, where it wasn't so easily associated with the terrorist acts of 9-11. If my mission were to bring understanding of Islam to America I certainly would not have picked such a controversial area to build on. Why some don't understand the passionate response by many is beyond me.

Maybe somewhere down the line when some sort of understanding between the two religions is achieved and the wounds of 9-11 are better healed it would be an acceptable gesture. It is just too soon at this point.
 
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I am just wondering how far away from Ground Zero is far enough. I mean, it's not across the street, it's three or four blocks away.

That is not an invitation for you idiotic racist douchebags to tell me that 4000 miles away in X is far enough, I get it, you don't like Muslims.

Serious question though, how much farther away?

wrong, its 2 blocks away. 200 ft away
 
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I get your point and can understand it, if it were me I would build it elsewhere, where it wasn't so easily associated with the terrorist acts of 9-11. If my mission were to bring understanding of Islam to America I certainly would not have picked such a controversial area to build on. Why some don't understand the passionate response by many is beyond me.

Maybe somewhere down the line when some sort of understanding between the two religions is achieved and the wounds of 9-11 are better healed it would be an acceptable gesture. It is just too soon at this point.

I just wonder where the outrage began. I mean, did they make a big deal of this publicly? That is, those who wish to open this particular establishment. I think I missed a step on this.
 
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Are you a racist douchebag? If the answer is no then I don't see what your problem is. Perhaps you should read the myriad other threads that simply erupt into pages upon pages of Muslim bashing before you judge me. Sound good?

No I wasn't judging you at all. I was merely stating that by using those inflammatory words you were only going to start an argument. It'd be nice to discuss topics without words like douchebag being tossed around. Cool down, man. :blink:
 
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I am just wondering how far away from Ground Zero is far enough. I mean, it's not across the street, it's three or four blocks away.

That is not an invitation for you idiotic racist douchebags to tell me that 4000 miles away in X is far enough, I get it, you don't like Muslims.

Serious question though, how much farther away?

I do not hate Muslims. I hate evil. Most Muslims are not evil. Likewise, as a Christian, I do not hate the sinner and believe me, I have NO room to talk about other sinners. I hate the sin.

To answer the question, one mile minimum.
 
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I just wonder where the outrage began. I mean, did they make a big deal of this publicly? That is, those who wish to open this particular establishment. I think I missed a step on this.

I would imagine that this group wanting to get in on this property raised some eyebrows, probably further peaked curiosity when a little digging was done to see how they intended to pay for this very expensive real estate.

I don't know if they sought the publicity initially but they are certainly using it to raise money throughout the Muslim world for funding though.

You know how America is as well as anyone e-main, let something with the slightest bit of controversy hit the streets and the politicians come running in order to score a few political points with their constituency.
 
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I do not hate Muslims. I hate evil. Most Muslims are not evil. Likewise, as a Christian, I do not hate the sinner and believe me, I have NO room to talk about other sinners. I hate the sin.

To answer the question, one mile minimum.

You were certainly not one who that statement was directed at either :)
 
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you left out the width of the two streets in between.....it is a "good" 3 or 400' away

More than that even, it's these exaggerated figures that have people up in arms. I mean, I can understand the problem here, but this thing won't even be visible from ground zero
 
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More than that even, it's these exaggerated figures that have people up in arms. I mean, I can understand the problem here, but this thing won't even be visible from ground zero

it could easily be visable from ground zero.
 
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More than that even, it's these exaggerated figures that have people up in arms. I mean, I can understand the problem here, but this thing won't even be visible from ground zero

As large as it's going to be I would think you would be able to see it from ground zero?
 
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More than that even, it's these exaggerated figures that have people up in arms. I mean, I can understand the problem here, but this thing won't even be visible from ground zero

It will most certainly be visable from the upper floors of the new buildings, IF they ever get them built, at ground zero.
My ONLY issue is that they are trying to hide behind "bridge building" and this is not.
 

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