And the search for dirt on Sarah Palin begins

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T-TownVol said:
LG, you talk about hating Hannity...but you are getting your talking points from Combes
Like Carl Rove said to Alan just now, "that's weak".
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I think its with a "K," isn't it?

At any rate, the issue is not the daughter being pregnant. The issue is her being chosen as VP 1) with no foreign policy experience at all; and 2) with a pretty big booger on the end of her nose and no one noticing.

As to foreign policy, McCain will be 72. He has had some health issues. He is running on a campaign of being the most prepared to be commander in chief in a difficult and dangerous world.


I think the first thing a commander does is make sure that someone worthy is in the wings in case he cannot perform. Palin instills ZERO confidence that she could run the country in a serious foreign crisis or in war. My sofa has as much foreign policy credibility as Palin does since it was made in Taiwan.

She it utterly unqualified to be President and that's what she is there for. Just in case. What a debacle it would be if she became president facing a nuclear Iran or some sort of Russian action. Disastrous.

As for the other issue, as I say I could not care less directly. But it does suggest to me that the decision to choose her was not thought through very well. That's my gripe.

I am sort of suprirsed that all of you folks against Obama because of fear that he would be a wet noodle in times of trouble aren't as troubled by Palin as a potential POTUS. Based on what I've seen of her and know of her experience with international affairs, she's just an horrific pick.
 
#152
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lawgator1 said:
The issue is her being chosen as VP 1) with no foreign policy experience at all
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I have my reservations about her foreign policy myself. Mainly, how much respect will she get being a female dealing with countries that view women as less than dogs.

lawgator1 said:
I am sort of suprirsed that all of you folks against Obama because of fear that he would be a wet noodle in times of trouble aren't as troubled by Palin as a potential POTUS. Based on what I've seen of her and know of her experience with international affairs, she's just an horrific pick.
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I think Obama is somebody's puppet plain and simple. As for Palin being POTUS if McCain kicks, she's got the moral convictions to keep her head in a crisis. I think, and I have nothing on which to base this except my gut, that she would be tougher on a foreign adversary than Obama would be. And I bet she would be smarter about it as well.
 
#153
#153
lawgator1 said:
I think its with a "K," isn't it?

At any rate, the issue is not the daughter being pregnant. The issue is her being chosen as VP 1) with no foreign policy experience at all; and 2) with a pretty big booger on the end of her nose and no one noticing.

As to foreign policy, McCain will be 72. He has had some health issues. He is running on a campaign of being the most prepared to be commander in chief in a difficult and dangerous world.


I think the first thing a commander does is make sure that someone worthy is in the wings in case he cannot perform. Palin instills ZERO confidence that she could run the country in a serious foreign crisis or in war. My sofa has as much foreign policy credibility as Palin does since it was made in Taiwan.

She it utterly unqualified to be President and that's what she is there for. Just in case. What a debacle it would be if she became president facing a nuclear Iran or some sort of Russian action. Disastrous.

As for the other issue, as I say I could not care less directly. But it does suggest to me that the decision to choose her was not thought through very well. That's my gripe.

I am sort of suprirsed that all of you folks against Obama because of fear that he would be a wet noodle in times of trouble aren't as troubled by Palin as a potential POTUS. Based on what I've seen of her and know of her experience with international affairs, she's just an horrific pick.
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I understand the issue about foreign policy experience. It is a serious deficit for her. I would be highly concerned if she were the top of the ticket. As it stands, I think chances are slim she would be called to duty. She is a high risk choice for McCain.

Can you at least admit she has more relevant executive experience than exists at the TOP of the Dem ticket? Does the lack of experience both in foreign policy and especially executive level raise any concerns with you for Obama?
 
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I don't remember this "lack of foreign policy" bilge when John Edwards was Kerry's VP. His resume is even lighter than Obama's yet he was taken very seriously up until the point he decided to be unfaithful to his sick wife.
 
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MG1968 said:
I don't remember this "lack of foreign policy" bilge when John Edwards was Kerry's VP. His resume is even lighter than Obama's yet he was taken very seriously up until the point he decided to be unfaithful to his sick wife.
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Interesting point. He was a 1 term (less than 1 term) Senator. Did he have any state legislative experience?
 
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volinbham said:
I understand the issue about foreign policy experience. It is a serious deficit for her. I would be highly concerned if she were the top of the ticket. As it stands, I think chances are slim she would be called to duty. She is a high risk choice for McCain.

Can you at least admit she has more relevant executive experience than exists at the TOP of the Dem ticket? Does the lack of experience both in foreign policy and especially executive level raise any concerns with you for Obama?
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Interesting questions.

With regard to executive experience, I would say so-so. I heard a Repub advisor proudly say last night she runs 18 departments with a $6 billiob budget. That's actually very tiny by state standards, but then again Alaska isn't super-populated. There is this issue of an investigation into how she's been doing on that, too. But in raw terms, yesd it would appear she has been in an executive post much more so than Obama.

With rgeard to the second question, I've said many times that I worry about Obama's foreign policy experience and credentials. I think it is clearly his weakness and it is one of the reasons I might not vote for him, in the end.
 
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#158
lawgator1 said:
I think its with a "K," isn't it?

At any rate, the issue is not the daughter being pregnant. The issue is her being chosen as VP 1) with no foreign policy experience at all; and 2) with a pretty big booger on the end of her nose and no one noticing.

As to foreign policy, McCain will be 72. He has had some health issues. He is running on a campaign of being the most prepared to be commander in chief in a difficult and dangerous world.


I think the first thing a commander does is make sure that someone worthy is in the wings in case he cannot perform. Palin instills ZERO confidence that she could run the country in a serious foreign crisis or in war. My sofa has as much foreign policy credibility as Palin does since it was made in Taiwan.

She it utterly unqualified to be President and that's what she is there for. Just in case. What a debacle it would be if she became president facing a nuclear Iran or some sort of Russian action. Disastrous.

As for the other issue, as I say I could not care less directly. But it does suggest to me that the decision to choose her was not thought through very well. That's my gripe.

I am sort of suprirsed that all of you folks against Obama because of fear that he would be a wet noodle in times of trouble aren't as troubled by Palin as a potential POTUS. Based on what I've seen of her and know of her experience with international affairs, she's just an horrific pick.
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what's obama;s foreign policy experience?
 
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#160
Why does it surprise you?

This is coming from the same people who believe that the 4 year old who is raped is at fault because she enticed the adult to have sex with her/him!
 
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#162
remember how the New York Times refused to cover the John Edwards/Rielle Hunter story? Well, today's edition has three front page articles about Bristol Palin.

here's Clark Hoyt on the NYT's coverage of things:

It is ... the kind of story that The Times seems instinctively to recoil from, just as it ignored such stories in its own backyard as A-Rod and Madonna and Christie Brinkley’s ugly divorce, and played down the “love child” scandal involving New York City’s only Republican congressman, Vito Fossella, earlier this year. ...

Edwards-Hunter was “classically not a Times-like story,” said Craig Whitney, the standards editor.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10/opinion/10pubed.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
 
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#163
Guy last night asked this question of a Republican Congresswoman and a Republican pollster:

"If Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant as a teenager while Bill was in the WH, how would the Republicans have reacted to that?"

Their silence was deafening.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Guy last night asked this question of a Republican Congresswoman and a Republican pollster:

"If Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant as a teenager while Bill was in the WH, how would the Republicans have reacted to that?"

Their silence was deafening.
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Bill knocked up his own daughter?????

:eek:k:
 
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lawgator1 said:
Guy last night asked this question of a Republican Congresswoman and a Republican pollster:

"If Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant as a teenager while Bill was in the WH, how would the Republicans have reacted to that?"

Their silence was deafening.
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Because that is an irrelevant question. It did not happen, so why answer it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Guy last night asked this question of a Republican Congresswoman and a Republican pollster:

"If Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant as a teenager while Bill was in the WH, how would the Republicans have reacted to that?"

Their silence was deafening.
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How do you think they would have reacted? It is a complete hypothetical that you can fill in the blank to which ever way your biases lie. Truth is, we don't know.

A more relevant question - how would the press react? Would they question Bill and Hillary's fitness as parents?

How did they react to Al Gore's son's DUI? Did they accuse Al of being an unfit parent?

I certainly think this is being taken further than it should be and the press is eager to go down that path.

I don't recall the press suggesting Edwards shouldn't run for POTUS when it was learned about his wife's cancer. Should they have questioned his commitment to family? His selfish choice to take a job that would distract him from caring for his wife?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Guy last night asked this question of a Republican Congresswoman and a Republican pollster:

"If Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant as a teenager while Bill was in the WH, how would the Republicans have reacted to that?"

Their silence was deafening.
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Probably because she was a very homely teenager and everyone would have been surprised someone would sleep with her!

But no, seriously, what would repubs have done?
Probably the same thing everyone else in the country would have done......... Condemn Bill for knockin her up..... we all know he was the only one gettin any in the white house!:p
 
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lawgator1 said:
Guy last night asked this question of a Republican Congresswoman and a Republican pollster:

"If Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant as a teenager while Bill was in the WH, how would the Republicans have reacted to that?"

Their silence was deafening.
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for a lawyer, you suck at making your case.
 
#173
#173
You guys keep changing the issue.

The issue is not whether the daughter's pregnancy reflects poorly on Palin as a parent. First, it doesn't. Second, if it did it wouldn't mnatter anyway.

The issue is not whether she can lead the country with a teenage daughter who has a child. she can. Its irrelevant.

The issue is that she was chosen as the VP nominee when either she did not tell the McCain people about it and just hoped it wouldn't come out or that she did tell them and McCain picked her anyway when they had to know it would come out and become the distraction it has become.

If you listen closely, you will find that the only people who are talking about the pregnancy itself as an issue are the Republicans trying to make it sound like that is the criticism from the left (more Hannity straw man tactics).

I have yet to hear a Democrat say that the pregnancy relfects poorly on Palin. What I do hear them saying is that this is good evidence of a disastrously pathetic vetting process. Add this to the whole passport issue, the fact that she is/was a member of a political movement that touts secession of the state from the union, the investigation into her alleged use of the office to retaliate against someone over a family matter, and the issue has become how in the heck she got picked!

I heard last night that McCain had never met her and talked to her just three times on the phone before selecting her. Is that true? Is that not just flat out strange to you?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You guys keep changing the issue.

The issue is not whether the daughter's pregnancy reflects poorly on Palin as a parent. First, it doesn't. Second, if it did it wouldn't mnatter anyway.

The issue is not whether she can lead the country with a teenage daughter who has a child. she can. Its irrelevant.

The issue is that she was chosen as the VP nominee when either she did not tell the McCain people about it and just hoped it wouldn't come out or that she did tell them and McCain picked her anyway when they had to know it would come out and become the distraction it has become.

If you listen closely, you will find that the only people who are talking about the pregnancy itself as an issue are the Republicans trying to make it sound like that is the criticism from the left (more Hannity straw man tactics).

I have yet to hear a Democrat say that the pregnancy relfects poorly on Palin. What I do hear them saying is that this is good evidence of a disastrously pathetic vetting process. Add this to the whole passport issue, the fact that she is/was a member of a political movement that touts secession of the state from the union, the investigation into her alleged use of the office to retaliate against someone over a family matter, and the issue has become how in the heck she got picked!

I heard last night that McCain had never met her and talked to her just three times on the phone before selecting her. Is that true? Is that not just flat out strange to you?
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You haven't been paying attention because I've heard several Dem commentators make exactly points 1 and 2.

As for point 3, you believe that McCain didn't know. It is pure speculation on your part. Given you frequently list his "anger" as an issue you have with him don't you think he'd have blown his stack if he wasn't told this?

I'm guessing they knew, knew it would come out and felt it wasn't a disqualifier.

Dem commentators are already going down the road on how this reflects on Palin as a mother and the how can she be a mother and be VP road. I've seen it on CNN, I've seen it on Fox, I've seen it on ABC. It is all over the liberal blogosphere.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You guys keep changing the issue.

The issue is not whether the daughter's pregnancy reflects poorly on Palin as a parent. First, it doesn't. Second, if it did it wouldn't mnatter anyway.

The issue is not whether she can lead the country with a teenage daughter who has a child. she can. Its irrelevant.

The issue is that she was chosen as the VP nominee when either she did not tell the McCain people about it and just hoped it wouldn't come out or that she did tell them and McCain picked her anyway when they had to know it would come out and become the distraction it has become.

If you listen closely, you will find that the only people who are talking about the pregnancy itself as an issue are the Republicans trying to make it sound like that is the criticism from the left (more Hannity straw man tactics).

I have yet to hear a Democrat say that the pregnancy relfects poorly on Palin. What I do hear them saying is that this is good evidence of a disastrously pathetic vetting process. Add this to the whole passport issue, the fact that she is/was a member of a political movement that touts secession of the state from the union, the investigation into her alleged use of the office to retaliate against someone over a family matter, and the issue has become how in the heck she got picked!

I heard last night that McCain had never met her and talked to her just three times on the phone before selecting her. Is that true? Is that not just flat out strange to you?
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No, the issue is that you continue to be a puppet to the liberal media that continues to say that she was not vetted. She was, period. So your whole agruement is wrong.
Say that you think she is not qualified, but do not continue to say that JM did not vet her. Continuing to repeat it does not make it true.
 
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