Andrew Harrison - Post Game

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jp1 said:
I think we all understand that a double standard exists, however the "why" to the double standard is not exactly clear.
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The reason is rooted in the history of race relations of this country.

I suggest watching the movie "12 Years a Slave" to get a historic perspective.
 
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jp1 said:
Come on pj. You know good and well that is not the argument here. You are smarter than that surely.
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There is no argument unless you have no clue about the racial history of this country. Anyone hanging on the double standard argument continues to make themselves look ridiculous
 
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utvolpj said:
There is no argument unless you have no clue about the racial history of this country. Anyone hanging on the double standard argument continues to make themselves look ridiculous
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I'm a 45 year old black male, and as I get older I'm encountering a new generation of kids of all races who don't know their country's history with regards to race relations...which is refreshing to a certain degree.

But when there's an issue like Harrison's press conference comments, they lack the perspective to understand the ramifications. Under those circumstances I give those kids a pass.

If you're an old fart like me and you want to complain about a racial double standard, I got nothing for you. That same double standard likely worked in your favor, and definitely in your parents' and grandparents' favor for several generations.
 
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Mainstream music constantly drops ni**a. It's practically ingrained in young culture. About every person I know has said it (white or black), but rarely have I ever heard it used in a way that is meant to offend. Honestly hearing it so much sometimes it just slips. It's pretty much used in place of "bro" "dude" "guy" etc. Harrison used it in that way. I don't think it's offensive, but I do think it's stupid that white people get crucified for saying it. As long as they aren't using it offensively that is.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Mainstream music constantly drops ni**a. It's practically ingrained in young culture. About every person I know has said it (white or black), but rarely have I ever heard it used in a way that is meant to offend. Honestly hearing it so much sometimes it just slips. It's pretty much used in place of "bro" "dude" "guy" etc. Harrison used it in that way. I don't think it's offensive, but I do think it's stupid that white people get crucified for saying it. As long as they aren't using it offensively that is.
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Operative word being "young" culture.

I give young people the benefit of the doubt because chances are either they don't know how that word could be interpreted, let alone the historical reasons why a negative interpretation would ever take place.

The exception being the young OU frat boys who not only openly chanted racial slurs, but also used references to lynching blacks while proudly proclaiming they would exclude members based solely on race...triple whammy right there.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I give young people the benefit of the doubt because chances are either they don't know how that word could be interpreted, let alone the historical reasons why a negative interpretation would ever take place.
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I'm not sure I buy that there are people who are completely unaware of the negative connotations surrounding the word.
 
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ThatVolGuy said:
I'm not sure I buy that there are people who are completely unaware of the negative connotations surrounding the word.
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I disagree.

There are young white kids who love hip-hop and are totally oblivious to the origin of the n-word, let alone how it could be interpreted if they say it certain situations.

Their intentions could be as simple as they're repeating a word they heard on a hip-hop song they like.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I disagree.

There are young white kids who love hip-hop and are totally oblivious to the origin of the n-word, let alone how it could be interpreted if they say it certain situations.

Their intentions could be as simple as they're repeating a word they heard on a hip-hop song they like.
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I'll preface by saying that everybody has their own anecdotal evidence to offer in this kind of situation.

I've never encountered a "young white kid" who uses the word and has no idea, on some level, of where it came from. It's not like people have stopped talking about the negative meaning of the n-word just because it's used in rap music.

I disagree with you. Your experience likely varies, but even taking into account the naivety associated with youth, the next white kid I meet whose only knowledge of the word is that it's used in rap music will be the first.
 
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utvolpj said:
There is no argument unless you have no clue about the racial history of this country. Anyone hanging on the double standard argument continues to make themselves look ridiculous
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So just accept things the way they are rather than speak up and voice your opinion. I don't operate that way. I apologize for looking ridiculous to such an authority on the subject like yourself.
 
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ThatVolGuy said:
I'll preface by saying that everybody has their own anecdotal evidence to offer in this kind of situation.

I've never encountered a "young white kid" who uses the word and has no idea, on some level, of where it came from. It's not like people have stopped talking about the negative meaning of the n-word just because it's used in rap music.

I disagree with you. Your experience likely varies, but even taking into account the naivety associated with youth, the next white kid I meet whose only knowledge of the word is that it's used in rap music will be the first.
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So we can agree to disagree.

I'd argue there's a 10 year-old white kid out there, born in 2005, who likes Jay-Z and has no clue about the origin of the n-word...or the ramifications of saying it.
 
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jp1 said:
So just accept things the way they are rather than speak up and voice your opinion. I don't operate that way. I apologize for looking ridiculous to such an authority on the subject like yourself.
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No I'm a person who understands why things are what they are. I'm also someone who knows that any argument that starts with "why can't a white guy use the n-word?" is absolutely destined to fail.
 
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I say "nipple" all the time and no one thinks twice about it.

utvolpj said:
I'm also someone who knows that any argument that starts with "why can't a white guy use the n-word?" is absolutely destined to fail.
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utvolpj said:
No I'm a person who understands why things are what they are. I'm also someone who knows that any argument that starts with "why can't a white guy use the n-word?" is absolutely destined to fail.
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Would you hold the same sentiment if the young, hip Jewish culture decided to take up the Swastika as a new symbol for the "it" crowd and started wearing it on their hats, t-shirts, jewelry, etc? And if so, would they be the only young, hip white people who could wear it?
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Would you hold the same sentiment if the young, hip Jewish culture decided to take up the Swastika as a new symbol for the "it" crowd and started wearing it on their hats, t-shirts, jewelry, etc? And if so, would they be the only young, hip white people who could wear it?
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Interesting point.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Would you hold the same sentiment if the young, hip Jewish culture decided to take up the Swastika as a new symbol for the "it" crowd and started wearing it on their hats, t-shirts, jewelry, etc? And if so, would they be the only young, hip white people who could wear it?
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My sentiment is always that anyone can wear or say whatever they want. However I'm not seeing the similarities between a swastika and a word. Your comparison is ridiculous
 
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utvolpj said:
My sentiment is always that anyone can wear or say whatever they want. However I'm not seeing the similarities between a swastika and a word. Your comparison is ridiculous
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The difference is context and semantic meaning, and to a far lesser extent, decorum.

In the early 70s, George Carlin gave his 7 Dirty Words routine. Today, you hear many of those 7 words on TV. Semantic meanings and social norms change over time- but it certainly doesn't give me pause to put on a white hood and burn crosses.
 
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utvolpj said:
No I'm a person who understands why things are what they are. I'm also someone who knows that any argument that starts with "why can't a white guy use the n-word?" is absolutely destined to fail.
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Do you really think we have ~100 posts in this thread and that is what the argument is about? No white person is looking for the green light to drop the N-bomb. They are just pointing out the hypocrisy of racial divisions in our country. Quit with the nonsense or quit being so dang condescending to what is blatantly obvious.
 
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utvolpj said:
My sentiment is always that anyone can wear or say whatever they want. However I'm not seeing the similarities between a swastika and a word. Your comparison is ridiculous
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The comparison fits... other than one is verbal and the other is visual. If you don't see the similarities of how both represent a hatred toward a specific group of people then your understanding of history is different than mine.
 
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