announced position changes

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#76
Interesting we signed one LB--A position lacking both talent and depth--Then moved him to DE.

We do need to develop some sort of pass rush, so well hope Vereen can help with that.
 
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RichRollin said:
Straight beast. Too bad he played in the Ray Lewis era, because he was kinda overshadowed by Lewis IMO. Wasn't better than Lewis but due to all the Ray Lew pub I kinda feel Urlacher got sold way short. JMO

My second favorite Bear all time behind Sweetness obviously.

My least favorite Bear...Rex effing Grossman. If I ever see him I will punch him in his face and I swear I will. That's all...
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You might be too young to have seen play Sayers, Ditka and Butkus, I guess?
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
You might be too young to have seen play Sayers, Ditka and Butkus, I guess?
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How about Doug Atkins, the former Vol and great defensive end , athletically jumping over offensive linemen, to get to the quarterback? I remember being in awe of Gayle Sayers running the ball. He would be in my top 5 all time running backs.

I remember Butkus hobbling on painful stiff knees toward the end of his career, looking incredibly intense, grimacing with pain, with his breath blowing out as steam in the cold weather. A later Bear, Mike Singletary, was much the same player. Mike Ditka and the Bears are synonymous. As a great tight end and coach, he will be forever linked to the Chicago Bears.
 
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1972 Grad said:
How about Doug Atkins, the former Vol and great defensive end , athletically jumping over offensive linemen, to get to the quarterback? I remember being in awe of Gayle Sayers running the ball. He would be in my top 5 all time running backs.

I remember Butkus hobbling on painful stiff knees toward the end of his career, looking incredibly intense, grimacing with pain, with his breath blowing out as steam in the cold weather. A later Bear, Mike Singletary, was much the same player. Mike Ditka and the Bears are synonymous. As a great tight end and coach, he will be forever linked to the Chicago Bears.
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Doug Atkins, whose Jersey is retired and name is in the ring of honor in Neyland, was an absolute beast. At 6'8" in the 1950's, he was a monster D-Lineman for the Vols and then the Bears. One of the greatest of all-time.
 
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1972 Grad said:
How about Doug Atkins, the former Vol and great defensive end , athletically jumping over offensive linemen, to get to the quarterback? I remember being in awe of Gayle Sayers running the ball. He would be in my top 5 all time running backs.

I remember Butkus hobbling on painful stiff knees toward the end of his career, looking incredibly intense, grimacing with pain, with his breath blowing out as steam in the cold weather. A later Bear, Mike Singletary, was much the same player. Mike Ditka and the Bears are synonymous. As a great tight end and coach, he will be forever linked to the Chicago Bears.
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In all fairness I was talking about my favorite players. Mike Ditka...though he's an ex player I don't even hold him in the same category as the others. Mike Ditka is the Bears...well, behind George Halas.

As for my other choices, I stand by them. I'm telling you, turn on the film and watch. Singletarty, Butkus, and Urlacher. Urlacher's skills and athleticism are second two none at the position. And just because he's quite and modest, not intimidating on the surface, he will rip your damn head off. Great in pass coverage, stops the run, gets sacks. If he doesn't play, they don't win. He's a leader and is the epitome of what a Chicago Bear is.

As for Sayers.. Perhaps the most skilled. But I've gotta roll with Walter. Right or wrong durability matters to me. Payton played on some pathetic teams and put up some fabulous numbers.

Atkins...well that's self explanatory.
 
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I watched Sayers (Sayres?) Ditka and Butkus play on TV when they were still active, but Atkins had recently retired when I first started following football. I do remember seeing Payton once reach way out to catch a pass in the flat with one hand, while simultaneously putting a spin move on a DB or LB that was about to blast him; incredible.

Didn't mean to divert the thread; we'll probably see more position changes this spring.
 
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RichRollin said:
Too young to have seen them...yeah. But I'm very well aware of them. But I stand by my choices 1) Payton 2) Urlacher 3) Doug Atkins
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I was in Chicago and sat behind Urlacher at Bob Chinns resturant and the guy is massive... No Homo
 
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1985Vols said:
Doug Atkins, whose Jersey is retired and name is in the ring of honor in Neyland, was an absolute beast. At 6'8" in the 1950's, he was a monster D-Lineman for the Vols and then the Bears. One of the greatest of all-time.
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I had the pleasure of meeting Doug through a mutual friend, and some time later, rode over to Neyland and attended a game with him and my friend back in the 1980's. He is a huge man, with a great sense of humor, and a super nice guy.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I had the pleasure of meeting Doug through a mutual friend, and some time later, rode over to Neyland and attended a game with him and my friend back in the 1980's. He is a huge man, with a great sense of humor, and a super nice guy.
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Thats good to hear. I heard he had a difficult time walking due to his bad knees.
 
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RichRollin said:
In all fairness I was talking about my favorite players. Mike Ditka...though he's an ex player I don't even hold him in the same category as the others. Mike Ditka is the Bears...well, behind George Halas.

As for my other choices, I stand by them. I'm telling you, turn on the film and watch. Singletarty, Butkus, and Urlacher. Urlacher's skills and athleticism are second two none at the position. And just because he's quite and modest, not intimidating on the surface, he will rip your damn head off. Great in pass coverage, stops the run, gets sacks. If he doesn't play, they don't win. He's a leader and is the epitome of what a Chicago Bear is.

As for Sayers.. Perhaps the most skilled. But I've gotta roll with Walter. Right or wrong durability matters to me. Payton played on some pathetic teams and put up some fabulous numbers.

Atkins...well that's self explanatory.
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Sweetness was an incredible back, no doubt. I have trouble when it comes to naming the best 5 running backs of all time. I feel like Jim Brown, Sayers, Payton, Barry Sanders, O.J., Eric Dickerson belong, maybe I am forgetting someone. I realize that Sayers' career was cut short by knee problems, but go to youtube and see what you can find. That guy looked like he glided through defenses, for lack of a better term.

Earl Campbell was another incredible back in his day. Who am I missing? By the way, Ditka brought another dimension to the tight end position. He caught a bunch of passes at a position that had been mostly used for blocking.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Sweetness was an incredible back, no doubt. I have trouble when it comes to naming the best 5 running backs of all time. I feel like Jim Brown, Sayers, Payton, Barry Sanders, O.J., Eric Dickerson belong, maybe I am forgetting someone. I realize that Sayers' career was cut short by knee problems, but go to youtube and see what you can find. That guy looked like he glided through defenses, for lack of a better term.

Earl Campbell was another incredible back in his day. Who am I missing? By the way, Ditka brought another dimension to the tight end position. He caught a bunch of passes at a position that had been mostly used for blocking.
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Yeah I've seen the film of Sayers. "The man with eyes in the back of his head". And it's just me, but to be the best IMO durability has to be considered. But that's just me. But if we were to throw out the durability factor I would probably have Bo Jackson in my top 3. But that's just me. Steve Sabol and NFL films always had the best film on these older guys. Steve will be missed.

As for Ditka...I hold him higher than other Bears, that's why he's not on my favorite Bear list. Kinda like if someone says who's your favorite Vol? Most will say Manning, White, Atkins, ect. But not mention Neyland, Fulmer, etc. Ditka's overall contributions to the Bears organization puts him on a level above the players IMO. In my eyes he and George Halas are as good as it gets in Bear history.
 
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Smokefatty said:
I'm a little concerned about his size for a TE. Seems a little short for an SEC TE. I guess he could be a Chris Gragg type guy though.
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Also, understand that CBJ runs a lot of slot TE packages which is the perfect fit for King. If he lines up on the line he'll be used as a blocker IMO.
 
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Smokefatty said:
I'm a little concerned about his size for a TE. Seems a little short for an SEC TE. I guess he could be a Chris Gragg type guy though.
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Do you not remember Chris Brown? He had very similar measurables to Justin King and was an extremely productive starting TE for us.
 
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VKAman said:
Not sure about the Young move--I like him as a speed back more than I like him as a wannabe Tavon Austin--but the other moves are definitely good ones, especially Brewer's. I don't trust him to cover as well as a safety should.
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I like him better as a wannabe tavon Austin than I like him as a wannabe noel devine
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#93
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Smokefatty said:
I'm a little concerned about his size for a TE. Seems a little short for an SEC TE. I guess he could be a Chris Gragg type guy though.
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I've been perusing Cincy clips on the old youtube...which doesn't qualify me as an expert on Butch's offense by any means but Justin has the look of what has flourished in this system...kind of like a flashback to Mose Phillips in the early 90's...who made big plays at fullback under Majors and Fulmer....got the vibe that King is going to love Bajakian
 
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Smokefatty said:
That's interesting. In Pete Carroll's system, the "hand in the dirt" end is Red Bryant who is a load at 6'4", 325 lbs (basically like having 3 DTs in a 4-3 set). If Jancek runs it that way, Couch might still be a DE playing the Red Bryant role.
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It's essentially a 34 defense.
 
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ACvol3 said:
It's funny that Brewer was originally a class of '06 WR prospect committed to Fsu. He's now, in 2013 playing lb at UT.. Funny how things work out..
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I talked to one of his old coaches and they said they were surprised too. He had always been a good offensive player.
 
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bigl3327 said:
Do you not remember Chris Brown? He had very similar measurables to Justin King and was an extremely productive starting TE for us.
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I had forgotten about him but he was a solid player and may have been slightly shorter than King.
 
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Smokefatty said:
In terms of personnel, yes it is, but they run it more like a traditional 4-3. Just with 3 massive dudes on the line instead of 2.
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My understanding of the Leo defense is that it is another form of the under front. Under fronts really blurs the line between 43/34. Because you now move the strong end down to a 5 technique. And then the SLB (probably Maggitt) comes up to a 9 technique.

This leaves you with only two lbs. The Will (Brewer) and the Mike (AJ). And 5 guys on the line of scrimmage.
 
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