Another round of expansion coming

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Brave Volunteer said:
I've been saying for a while that 16 was the end goal. I know all the arguments being made for why it's too many, but the way I see it, increasing the total number of playoff spots only increases Tennessee's chances of getting one of them and I will never be opposed to that.
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Hard disagree on your last sentence. A chance to win the championship should darn well be earned in the regular season. Teams with more than two losses have not earned the right, as far as I am concerned. And two losses is borderline. Now, if you will excuse me I am going to tie an onion to my belt and yell at some clouds.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It's about money, not who has a chance to win. Only about 6 or 8 teams any given year have a shot at the football Natty, truthfully even less than that most years.

It's the same with March Madness, it's all about TV viewers and contracts and not about who might win the Natty. Sure, there's a few exciting upsets every year but in the end one of 6-8 highest seeds will win it.

They could cut all of this down to an 8 team playoff for football and basketball every year and still get the best team in the country.

The vast majority of all "playoffs" in all sports are about money and drumming up a little drama for the viewers. It's entertainment, after all.
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What's the lowest seed to win it all? I'm thinking Villanova (#8 in the mid-1980's)....yes, it's usually a #1 or #2 but every now and again, someone catches lightning in a bottle.
 
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g0d0fm15ch13f said:
Sources: SEC, Big Ten building momentum to further expand College Football Playoff to 14 or 16 teams

I for one hate this. It sounds like the SEC (and B1G) are dictating that they want more autobids as the serious power hitters. And that should be good for the vols, I think we are in a good position to perennially be a top 4 SEC squad. But I hate this continued march towards watering down the regular season. Already this past year bummer had lost to both TN schools and the narrative was still "If they win out they can get into the tournament" I hope the world enjoyed a 9 seed osu win the nc, because that's going to be the norm.
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I thought it watered down the entire bowl season I only watched the playoff and once tn lost, I didn’t watch the rest. Usually I would watch all the major bowls and many others. Expanding it won’t be good
 
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jackaro said:
Hard disagree on your last sentence. A chance to win the championship should darn well be earned in the regular season. Teams with more than two losses have not earned the right, as far as I am concerned. And two losses is borderline. Now, if you will excuse me I am going to tie an onion to my belt and yell at some clouds.
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Well, you cling to your principles all you want but I tend to look at it more pragmatically. The one thing you absolutely must do to win a championship is get there to compete for it. The first step to that is making the playoffs and I am for whatever gives us the best chance to be there. Once you're there, anything can happen! I'd rather see Tennessee make the playoffs and get eliminated than see them win 100 Duke Mayo bowls because of some BS "worthiness".
 
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bpalmer28 said:
Yeah I'm not a fan... 12 worked well. Who was left out that could have won a natty? They are going to make losing an early season game irrelevant.
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16 is better imho.. no byes.. then everyone has to win 3 to win it all.. the 4 teams that got byes would have only needed 2 wins so its not unfair. in fact its more fair.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
People are gonna get mad no matter what. Folks hate change. At least we have something else to moan about in the off season.
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Haha. Very true. So wait we have a chance to win a championship even if we lost 1 game? I hate it. The goal should always be to play in the USF&G Sugar Bowl and win a split UPI national championship.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
Yeah I'm not a fan... 12 worked well. Who was left out that could have won a natty? They are going to make losing an early season game irrelevant.
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I think Ole Miss was the best team not in it, and quite possibly could've made a run, they had some talent. None outside of that. That said, losing 3 games should be disqualifying.
 
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CMcEver said:
I think Ole Miss was the best team not in it, and quite possibly could've made a run, they had some talent. None outside of that. That said, losing 3 games should be disqualifying.
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I think if a team has an incredibly difficult schedule, loses 2 regular season games, gets to the conference title game and loses they should make it. If Florida had played the schedule they did last season and only lost 2 games and then faced another top 5 team I think they would be worthy of being in the CFP. And I think that’s what the new CFP model will look like.
 
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woodpusher said:
What's the lowest seed to win it all? I'm thinking Villanova (#8 in the mid-1980's)....yes, it's usually a #1 or #2 but every now and again, someone catches lightning in a bottle.
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As we saw with Ohio State, a massive NIL budget will be required to win in football. There's little chance for a school not spending $20+M JUST on football to win a Natty.

With basketball, occasionally someone with a low seed gets 2 upsets and almost never 3 upsets to get to the Elite 8. It happened but very rarely and likely never again in the NIL era. Small schools that don't have a deep, deep basketball legacy (think: Gonzaga) aren't going to be able to attract enough depth and talent to get far.

The football playoffs will get bigger and March Madness might even get bigger if the TV money is there. The driving force is definitely not "give everyone a chance" but it's closer to give everyone a piece of the pie.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Well, you cling to your principles all you want but I tend to look at it more pragmatically. The one thing you absolutely must do to win a championship is get there to compete for it. The first step to that is making the playoffs and I am for whatever gives us the best chance to be there. Once you're there, anything can happen! I'd rather see Tennessee make the playoffs and get eliminated than see them win 100 Duke Mayo bowls because of some BS "worthiness".
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VOLfrombama said:
They are proposing to expand to 14 or 16 teams. They are also proposing to expand the SEC regular season to 9 games to match what the Big10 is already doing. In addition they're proposing to do a SEC/Big10 challenge, which would generate a ton more money for each conference. The auto bids only protect those teams on the fringe. This year it would have been Bama or Ole Miss, depending on rankings. You can't tell me that Boise or SMU deserved getting in more more than Bama or Ole Miss. Hate them as much as you want, but I think they play better games than both did.

If they go to 14 there would only be two teams get a bye. If they go to 16 then nobody gets a bye.

I like the idea of play-in/wildcard games in leiu of a league championship game too. That game is silly anyway and can result in derailing a contender's season with injuries and fatigue. However, I would have loved to see Bama and Ole Miss in a play-in game instead.

I think there's some really good ideas there.
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Boise and SMU deserved to be in more than Bama or Ole Miss.
 
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Any comparison to March Madness is the thing that is the most ludicrous IMO. Even in CBB, it is generally the top seeds that get to Final Fours and end up winning the thing, but you occasionally see a "Cinderella" ride a hot shooter or unique scheme and reach the Elite 8, or more rarely a Final Four.

That ain't happening in CFB. Ever. In a 16-team event you might get one big upset every few years, but that will just spoil the next round as that team gets blown out. And more blowouts are what this is going to end up being until we get to the 2-4 teams (if that many) who everyone knows are the only ones with a shot to win. But more teams means more $$$$$$, and as we all know that is the only result that matters any more.

And they'll never eliminate the conference championship games other than to just add more games. No policy is ever changed that results in less revenue - that is the golden rule of pro and big time college sports.
 
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vols 30 said:
I think 4 is too many. Free the BCS .

The playoff games sucked. I watched the 1st half of our game and that was it
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The first round sucked. The rest of it had some really good games. I'm a die hard Vols Fan, but I do enjoy watching teams besides TN. TX/ Ohio St was a good game, GA/ Arizona St was a good game, ND/ Penn St was good,GA/ ND was good. Ohio St/ ND was pretty entertaining.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
The first round sucked. The rest of it had some really good games. I'm a die hard Vols Fan, but I do enjoy watching teams besides TN. TX/ Ohio St was a good game, GA/ Arizona St was a good game, ND/ Penn St was good,GA/ ND was good. Ohio St/ ND was pretty entertaining.
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Patrick Mahomes and Jayden Daniels both just got worked by a hot team in the Playoffs. Blowouts happen. Bama blew out Ohio St in 2020, LSU blew out Clemson , Clemson blew out Bama, UGA destroyed TCU… why does everyone talk like the Playoffs owe them something ? Ohio State was definitely the best team in the country when they felt like it this past season and I have no issue with them winning the title the way that they did. The collection of teams they beat to win is pretty incredible on paper.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
Yeah I'm not a fan... 12 worked well. Who was left out that could have won a natty? They are going to make losing an early season game irrelevant.
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I don't think it affected the regular season. After the Arkansas loss Tennessee had to win or they wouldn't make the playoffs. And take ND after the NIU loss in the 2nd game of the year they had to win out.
 
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sami said:
Any comparison to March Madness is the thing that is the most ludicrous IMO. Even in CBB, it is generally the top seeds that get to Final Fours and end up winning the thing, but you occasionally see a "Cinderella" ride a hot shooter or unique scheme and reach the Elite 8, or more rarely a Final Four.

That ain't happening in CFB. Ever. In a 16-team event you might get one big upset every few years, but that will just spoil the next round as that team gets blown out. And more blowouts are what this is going to end up being until we get to the 2-4 teams (if that many) who everyone knows are the only ones with a shot to win. But more teams means more $$$$$$, and as we all know that is the only result that matters any more.

And they'll never eliminate the conference championship games other than to just add more games. No policy is ever changed that results in less revenue - that is the golden rule of pro and big time college sports.
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The last thing anyone should ever try to replicate is the sport of basketball at the moment. College or pro. November-the beginning of March doesnt mean much anymore . People are just not interested the way that they once were. My concern for football is not the CFP taking away from the regular season, it’s the calendar. In theory, Ohio State vs Notre Dame should be a monster tv draw, but the game had zero buzz about it. Playing the national title on a random Monday in late January after a weekend of nfl playoffs didn’t seem to work. I love college football, I mean I watch the Bahamas bowl if it’s on, but I wasn’t really excited for that game . It seemed too late. I don’t know what can be done other than turning week zero into week 1 and moving up the CFP to take away Army/Navy as a stand alone game.
 
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