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GUNTERSVOL said:
8 or 16, no byes. But this years champion would have missed the whole deal at 8.

Starting with the sweet 16 is probably the money play. If not suck it up and listen to the whining starting at 9. Wait!!!! Weren’t we 9!!!
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I think 16 teams, no byes, top 8 hosts bottom 8 in the first round is perfect. Eliminate conference championship games, declare conference champions based on conference records, and start round 1 the first weekend after the regular season. This, to me is the perfect setup.
 
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Hulavol said:
HELL NO- with the heat of a thousand suns NO.
Tennessee is BRAVES country. We don’t need any more baseball teams in the south.

No No No No No.
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Im a Braves fan too, but I could live with it as long as it's an American League team. I wouldn't have an issue having a favorite in each league since they would seldom play each other and when they did, I'd just root for the Braves. All other times I'd root for both teams.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
My enthusiasm for the sport is not even a third of what it was 5 years ago.
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Yeah, when I see players leaving after 1 year, players leaving mid season, players leaving before they even get here. it takes away the sense of team pride we used to have. We went from players not getting paid( openly any way) and most folks agreeing they should get a slice of the pie, to now players being bid on like the pro's . Wondering how long before some team changes their name to the "Rentals"
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Im a Braves fan too, but I could live with it as long as it's an American League team. I wouldn't have an issue having a favorite in each league since they would seldom play each other and when they did, I'd just root for the Braves. All other times I'd root for both teams.
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I really don't get this. Boston and NYC are closer than ATL and Nashville and have a long and spirited rivalry. Philly is almost in NYC's backyard.

Lots of pro teams have close rivals.

You guys would go absolutely nuts with Premier League Futbol. I just don't get it.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I really don't get this. Boston and NYC are closer than ATL and Nashville and have a long and spirited rivalry. Philly is almost in NYC's backyard.

Lots of pro teams have close rivals.

You guys would go absolutely nuts with Premier League Futbol. I just don't get it.
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What don't you get? The idea of having a favorite in each league? Seems pretty reasonable to me. <shrugs>

As for the distance, I'm in Chattanooga so the distance from Atlanta and Nasville for me is about the same.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
What don't you get? The idea of having a favorite in each league? Seems pretty reasonable to me. <shrugs>

As for the distance, I'm in Chattanooga so the distance from Atlanta and Nasville for me is about the same.
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That's the thing. Having a good, strong rivalry close by is like having Alabama and GA close, it's good.

The money Nashville would need to spend is crazy and hopefully not going to happen but the idea of there being another Southern MLB team so there's more "Waffle House action" is a good thing.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
That's the thing. Having a good, strong rivalry close by is like having Alabama and GA close, it's good.

The money Nashville would need to spend is crazy and hopefully not going to happen but the idea of there being another Southern MLB team so there's more "Waffle House action" is a good thing.
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But if the Nashville team is in the American League, they and Atlanta wouldn't face each other very often. Certainly not enough build any kind of rivalry. I get it if you're cross-town rivals like Cubs/White Sox, Yankees/Mets, etc. But I can't see Nashville/Atlanta blossoming into a rivalry unless Nashville wound up in the NL East with Atlanta. It's not like the Titans are big rivals with the Falcons.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
But if the Nashville team is in the American League, they and Atlanta wouldn't face each other very often. Certainly not enough build any kind of rivalry. I get it if you're cross-town rivals like Cubs/White Sox, Yankees/Mets, etc. But I can't see Nashville/Atlanta blossoming into a rivalry unless Nashville wound up in the NL East with Atlanta. It's not like the Titans are big rivals with the Falcons.
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They SHOULD be in the NL, if they somehow exist. Let people argue and bicker and be divided. It's good for the sport to have close, see them every day, hated rivals.

This idea that the "Braves own the South" is what I don't understand. ATL isn't Nashville.... very different towns with very different "vibes" (not a fan but can't find another word) like NYC and Boston and Philly are different "personalities."

ATL no longer represents the South, for sure, in many ways. The days of Chipper or even Hank are gone so there's room to spread out to Charlotte, Nashville, etc.

I guess it's a bad word these days but diversity. I'm not like those Dawg fans or single toothed Bama fans and never could be. I suspect there are lots of southerners who'd just as soon never see ATL again but can still stomach Nashville.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
They SHOULD be in the NL, if they somehow exist. Let people argue and bicker and be divided. It's good for the sport to have close, see them every day, hated rivals.

This idea that the "Braves own the South" is what I don't understand. ATL isn't Nashville.... very different towns with very different "vibes" (not a fan but can't find another word) like NYC and Boston and Philly are different "personalities."

ATL no longer represents the South, for sure, in many ways. The days of Chipper or even Hank are gone so there's room to spread out to Charlotte, Nashville, etc.

I guess it's a bad word these days but diversity. I'm not like those Dawg fans or single toothed Bama fans and never could be. I suspect there are lots of southerners who'd just as soon never see ATL again but can still stomach Nashville.
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I would argue that neither does Nashville.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
They SHOULD be in the NL, if they somehow exist. Let people argue and bicker and be divided. It's good for the sport to have close, see them every day, hated rivals.

This idea that the "Braves own the South" is what I don't understand. ATL isn't Nashville.... very different towns with very different "vibes" (not a fan but can't find another word) like NYC and Boston and Philly are different "personalities."

ATL no longer represents the South, for sure, in many ways. The days of Chipper or even Hank are gone so there's room to spread out to Charlotte, Nashville, etc.

I guess it's a bad word these days but diversity. I'm not like those Dawg fans or single toothed Bama fans and never could be. I suspect there are lots of southerners who'd just as soon never see ATL again but can still stomach Nashville.
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My argument is simply this : an additional team in the south means less money for the Braves.
We are having to compete with huge market teams with massive payrolls and need every last dollar we can generate.
Philly and Boston and NYM and NYY and LAD and Houston etc all have huge population bases and great TV deals and massive fan bases who spend money on them.
The Braves need all of the southern eyeballs, fans to come to the games, and folks buying Acuña jerseys. Another team down here - Charlotte, Nashville, etc only hurts the Braves.

So- NO. NO. NO.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I would argue that neither does Nashville.
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Certainly, but you're not getting an MLB franchise in the traffic jam that is Chattanooga or in Crossville next to Bucees or somewhere like that.

Green Bay is a HUGE outlier for a franchise town that has at least some feel of the area around it, I'm told.

I just think the days of "if you're in the South, you're a Braves fan" are over. TBS and all that was fun but that era is done.
 
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Hulavol said:
My argument is simply this : an additional team in the south means less money for the Braves.
We are having to compete with huge market teams with massive payrolls and need every last dollar we can generate.
Philly and Boston and NYM and NYY and LAD and Houston etc all have huge population bases and great TV deals and massive fan bases who spend money on them.
The Braves need all of the southern eyeballs, fans to come to the games, and folks buying Acuña jerseys. Another team down here - Charlotte, Nashville, etc only hurts the Braves.

So- NO. NO. NO.
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But keeping people locked in to one franchise, especially in the very un-southern city Atlanta is, doesn't make sense. While I'll watch on TV, I'm not driving into ATL for anything but business or picking up someone who flew in there.

It's not a southern town that reflects the values of lots of people you want to attract and expect to get support from. At one time, sure, ATL had a lot of southern charm but now? Why would I want to support that town?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
But keeping people locked in to one franchise, especially in the very un-southern city Atlanta is, doesn't make sense. While I'll watch on TV, I'm not driving into ATL for anything but business or picking up someone who flew in there.

It's not a southern town that reflects the values of lots of people you want to attract and expect to get support from. At one time, sure, ATL had a lot of southern charm but now? Why would I want to support that town?
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It’s Cobb County my good man. The Braves agree with you and moved out. The city of Atlanta doesn’t make a penny on your Braves dollars spent.
And, I’m guessing maybe you haven’t been to a game at the Battery yet. It’s incredible- just a phenomenal experience if you like baseball.
 
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Hulavol said:
It’s Cobb County my good man. The Braves agree with you and moved out. The city of Atlanta doesn’t make a penny on your Braves dollars spent.
And, I’m guessing maybe you haven’t been to a game at the Battery yet. It’s incredible- just a phenomenal experience if you like baseball.
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Yeah, try to pay for a $20 beer with a $20 bill at Truist and see what happens. Cashless, I'm told. That sounds every bit as in tune with southern values as I would expect.

No doubt it's a palace and a wonderful experience but I have no idea how long it'll be before Cobb pays off the bonds it took to build it and I've no doubt the Braves LOVE the money they make on the backs of the those municipal bonds.

The reason they're in Cobb is because Fulton County told them they were done losing money to the Braves and refused to issue bonds. Let Cobb learn what Fulton knows, MLB teams should pay for their business infrastructure...... NOT the public.
 
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#119
Jackcrevol said:
agreed. conference championships have to mean something. also, the amount of time between start and finish of playoff is almost as long as last two months of season. stupid.
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Do people really care about a CC game if not in the playoffs?

What are the odds teams slated for a CC game are not in a 16 team playoff without a guaranteed spot? If not, so be it.

NOBODY should get a bye and still be allowed to train and practice.

8 games on Sweet 16 weekend work well for March Madness.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Do people really care about a CC game if not in the playoffs?

What are the odds teams slated for a CC game are not in a 16 team playoff without a guaranteed spot? If not, so be it.

NOBODY should get a bye and still be allowed to train and practice.

8 games on Sweet 16 weekend work well for March Madness.
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I agree that conference championships are pretty useless with a CFP and no byes should exist, period.

Unfortunately the CFP needs to work around the NFL playoffs to be successful (read: profitable) for ESPN. I'm not sure 8 games in a couple of days works unless they use 2 weekdays like the Sweet Sixteen sometimes does, I think.

This is all about TV revenue and squeezing in games without going head to head with NFL playoff or critical late season games. College is definitely little brother in that scenario.
 
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