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#31
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Only1COJ said:
Please, explain.
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I think Dawn has had better luck than Holly. Holly would've had her final four had it not been for injuries. The injuries go all the way back to the year with Taber Spani. Dawn is offensively challenged, she was lucky getting two very talented guards that could thrive despite a real offensive scheme, in fact that only really happened after Coates was injured (more space to create). Holly didnt have the guards Dawn had but offensively UT looked better. Dawn had a easier route to the final 4 (luck). Not having to face UCONN (luck). However, coaching wise i think theyre pretty much the same.
 
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ATLVolFan06 said:
I think Dawn has had better luck than Holly. Holly would've had her final four had it not been for injuries. The injuries go all the way back to the year with Taber Spani. Dawn is offensively challenged, she was lucky getting two very talented guards that could thrive despite a real offensive scheme, in fact that only really happened after Coates was injured (more space to create). Holly didnt have the guards Dawn had but offensively UT looked better. Dawn had a easier route to the final 4 (luck). Not having to face UCONN (luck). However, coaching wise i think theyre pretty much the same.
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So Holly was unlucky because of injuries, and Dawn was lucky because her 2nd best player got injured and she had to completely change her offensive and defensive gameplan at the 11th hour to address the loss of one of her team's cornerstones. Dawn is lucky that she got two talented guards that were good enough to overcome her sh!tty coaching, but Holly was unlucky that her two MORE TALENTED guards could not get her past the 2nd round.

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Amb3096 said:
So Holly was unlucky because of injuries, and Dawn was lucky because her 2nd best player got injured and she had to completely change her offensive and defensive gameplan at the 11th hour to address the loss of one of her team's cornerstones. Dawn is lucky that she got two talented guards that were good enough to overcome her sh!tty coaching, but Holly was unlucky that her two MORE TALENTED guards could not get her past the 2nd round.

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Dawn didnt completely change her offense. They still didn't set screens, she had guards that could create, the absence of Coates gave the guards more space to do so. Sorry but SC's guards were better than ours.... She was definitely lucky to get Gray and Davis anyone who thinks otherwise is Nuts. Without the transfers SC wouldve struggled on the perimeter especially since T Mitchell graduated. Dawns Player recruitment, player development, offensive & defensive schemes have not been better than ours. She's been lucky to receive transfers that covered her inability to really coach
 
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#36
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ATLVolFan06 said:
Dawn didnt completely change her offense. They still didn't set screens, she had guards that could create, the absence of Coates gave the guards more space to do so. Sorry but SC's guards were better than ours.... She was definitely lucky to get Gray and Davis anyone who thinks otherwise is Nuts. Without the transfers SC wouldve struggled on the perimeter especially since T Mitchell graduated. Dawns Player recruitment, player development, offensive & defensive schemes have not been better than ours. She's been lucky to receive transfers that covered her inability to really coach
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Kaela Davis and Allisha Gray are better than Diamond and Jaime? That's bull and everyone, including you, knows that. Which ones made the All-SEC teams and which ones didn't?

SC completely changed their offensive game. They ran the high-low between Coates/Wilson all day before Alaina got hurt, and completely removed that from their arsenal because they didn't have any players good enough to do that consistently. Herbert Harrigan started a few games in Alaina's absence, but got benched in favor of Cuevas-Moore because she was bogging down the offense. Dawn was also smart enough to know when to use her bigs and when to use her wings. During the FSU and ASU games when A'ja was in foul trouble, she ran more plays to free up Kaela for open shots. Cliney is about as good of a screen setter as there is in the SEC.

I was about to say that Dawn was "lucky" to get Allisha and Kaela the same way Holly was "lucky" to get Diamond, but the difference is that Dawn capitalized on her talent and Holly didn't. And despite Holly being a failure as a coach the last two years, she was "lucky" that top recruits didn't let her failure prevent them from thinking that they could turn things around.

On the subject of player development, how many first team AAs has Dawn had and how many has Holly had? Exactly.

Funny how Dawn stacking her team with talent and taking them to a NC is "luck", but Holly stacking her team with talent and taking them to the 2nd round is the players' fault.
 
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PRG said:
How come everyone is saying not to count on our FRESHMEN but Dawn will have success and no problem with her freshmen taking two starting positions over and winning again?

Their #24 and 47 and 54 is better than our #2---#9...#12????
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There's no guarantee your freshman will see significant playing time. With Deshields, Russell, Cooper, and Nared coming back, minutes will be at a premium. SC just lost 4 players, and 3 starters off their roster. I'm not even going to touch the whole coaching thing. Lol
 
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CockyGuy said:
There's no guarantee your freshman will see significant playing time. With Deshields, Russell, Cooper, and Nared coming back, minutes will be at a premium. SC just lost 4 players, and 3 starters off their roster. I'm not even going to touch the whole coaching thing. Lol
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Oh they'll see playing time and 1-2 of them will prolly play between 15-20 min a game. Especially if they hit shots and rebound !
 
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CockyGuy said:
There's no guarantee your freshman will see significant playing time. With Deshields, Russell, Cooper, and Nared coming back, minutes will be at a premium. SC just lost 4 players, and 3 starters off their roster. I'm not even going to touch the whole coaching thing. Lol
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The post was about freshmen being counted on for positive contributions. Not for just getting playing time! Are you saying that your freshmen will be good because they play more minutes?
 
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PRG said:
The post was about freshmen being counted on for positive contributions. Not for just getting playing time! Are you saying that your freshmen will be good because they play more minutes?
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I'm not attempting to make the argument that our freshman will be better. I'm saying that it is difficult to see how YOUR freshman could have significant impact with limited minutes.
This is not a put down, but rather an observation. Your team play best when Deshields and/or Nared play well for long stretches. In close games (like we all play in the SEC) there may not be much time for experimentation with young players.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Kaela Davis and Allisha Gray are better than Diamond and Jaime? That's bull and everyone, including you, knows that. Which ones made the All-SEC teams and which ones didn't?

SC completely changed their offensive game. They ran the high-low between Coates/Wilson all day before Alaina got hurt, and completely removed that from their arsenal because they didn't have any players good enough to do that consistently. Herbert Harrigan started a few games in Alaina's absence, but got benched in favor of Cuevas-Moore because she was bogging down the offense. Dawn was also smart enough to know when to use her bigs and when to use her wings. During the FSU and ASU games when A'ja was in foul trouble, she ran more plays to free up Kaela for open shots. Cliney is about as good of a screen setter as there is in the SEC.

I was about to say that Dawn was "lucky" to get Allisha and Kaela the same way Holly was "lucky" to get Diamond, but the difference is that Dawn capitalized on her talent and Holly didn't. And despite Holly being a failure as a coach the last two years, she was "lucky" that top recruits didn't let her failure prevent them from thinking that they could turn things around.

On the subject of player development, how many first team AAs has Dawn had and how many has Holly had? Exactly.

Funny how Dawn stacking her team with talent and taking them to a NC is "luck", but Holly stacking her team with talent and taking them to the 2nd round is the players' fault.
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Wondering how you factor in that we beat them on their floor?
 
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#43
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ATLVolFan06 said:
Coaching but AMB wont admit that.
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I dont know if it was as much coaching as it was wilson and coates being in foul trouble for most of the game. Early on it looked like USC was going to tourch Tennessee, but then ya had wilson with her tech and Tennessee was able to get back in the game. It was def a great win for holly and tennessee, but coaching didnt win that game, and as a matter of fact coaching nearly cost them the game as holly went way conservstive with too much time left. It was a set of fortunate circumstances, a bit of luck and player perseverance that won the game. I would think the ND win had much more to do with coaching than the USC win
 
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#44
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PRG said:
How come everyone is saying not to count on our FRESHMEN but Dawn will have success and no problem with her freshmen taking two starting positions over and winning again?

Their #24 and 47 and 54 is better than our #2---#9...#12????
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Well I'm certainly not saying that. I think our class will have a positive impact.
 
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#45
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Darth_Vol said:
Yes, "luck" is how Dawn turned a traditional SEC bottom feeder into a national champion while Holly turned a traditional champion into unranked mediocrity.

Your argument is absolutely absurd....
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Exactly. Dawn literally built SC from scratch into a national champion.

Literally the dumbest pro-Holly post I've EVER seen, and trust me I've seen plenty of dumb ones.
 
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#46
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ATLVolFan06 said:
Coaching but AMB wont admit that.
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More like Wilson being in foul trouble and only playing 22 minutes and getting an extremely lucky foul call to end the game and give us the win.

If you're talking about "luck", I believe the SC win would fall into that category more than anything in this conversation, so it's ironic that you're the one to bring this up. Besides that, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
 
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ATLVolFan06 said:
I think Dawn has had better luck than Holly. Holly would've had her final four had it not been for injuries. The injuries go all the way back to the year with Taber Spani. Dawn is offensively challenged, she was lucky getting two very talented guards that could thrive despite a real offensive scheme, in fact that only really happened after Coates was injured (more space to create). Holly didnt have the guards Dawn had but offensively UT looked better. Dawn had a easier route to the final 4 (luck). Not having to face UCONN (luck). However, coaching wise i think theyre pretty much the same.
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Dawn also realized she was offensively challenged and when an offensive mind became available (Melanie Balcomb the for Vandy Coach) she jumped right on it. Dawn also doesn't hesitate to go after transfers and recruits the moment she is allowed.

We haven't seen true development in a lot of our players (mainly the Post) but yet the Post coach seems to be safe and everybody says well he helps game plan and the girls love him but if he isn't getting the job done then he should be let go.
 
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T.J. said:
Loyalty to a fault. If I were a parent of Nia Moore, Kortney Dunbar or Kamera Harris I would had told them to transfer from Tennessee because of Holly being a terrible coach.

So I don't see anything wrong with players transferring their 1st year. Why wait around. Leave immediately if possible.
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If you were a parent of an athlete that is a marginal division one player at best, you would advise your child to switches Universities and hope for what...free education some where else? You are a knuckle head at best!
 
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