Another set of transfers

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I worked over seas for a few years after college...yeah i learned i wish i had learned a foreign language and i can't wait to get back to the States. Nothing you get paid for is glamorous.
 
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Chitownvol1129 said:
Even the ones who play overseas don't all make great pay. They pay for travel and living abroad isn't cheap always. Lol communications and criminal justice aren't real degrees? Whoa
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No, communications and criminal justice are not real degrees. There is a reason they are the most popular jock degrees. Maybe you can get a job with a communications degree if you looked for a top tier internship and network like Cierra Burdick did. But otherwise...that will get you a job at Starbucks or Whole Foods.

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I worked over seas for a few years after college...yeah i learned i wish i had learned a foreign language and i can't wait to get back to the States. Nothing you get paid for is glamorous.
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I also worked overseas for a few years, and loved the fact that I made friends from all over the world, got to travel extensively to places I never thought I'd go, and experience a new culture that was completely foreign to me. To each their own.

And playing basketball for a living while getting the summer off and making more money than a typical post-graduation office (or retail, for those communications/criminal justice majors) is definitely glamorous.
 
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mtsuraider06 said:
McCoy isn't going to USC.
Per her Dad, she is going somewhere that will take both her and her sister, just like OSU.
Baylor, Maryland, Marquette, Louisville and Kansas State have made contact.
Tennessee hasn't.
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McCoy isn't a good enough player for her parents to be trying this combo package BS.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Marginal division one player, huh?

Nia had offers from Illinois, ND and Auburn

Kortney had offers from Baylor, Louisville and Oklahoma State

MeMe had offers from just about the whole SEC

Kamera had an offer from Oregon State

If anything, they were knuckle heads for coming to Tennessee in the first place if they expected to get better under Holly's guidance. The only reason she kept her losses to 12 to 14 these past two seasons is because she had so many HS AAs and top 20 players on her team. If she had Miss State's roster, they wouldn't have even made the NIT.
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Amb,

I have never questioned that you know facts, but when you get on a roll like lately... geez.

A lot of players get a lot of offers, but you've watched the players you mention. They are not as good as advertised. And weren't from the beginning.

You don't think HW can coach; you've made that abundantly clear. But is it fair to blame her for all the losses and say the wins are because of the talented players? And not even acknowledge that she recruited the players, that they have made improvements individually, and that our best players passed up being first round draft picks to come back and play for HW?
 
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meanwhile................ back to the transfers

I don't know enough about the talent of these girls, but I do know that we have 6 seniors slated for the roster for next year and the top recruiting class as Freshmen.

I would think that a transfer would at least look at that aspect of UT as either a positive or negative. 'You guys" are more expert on that than I am..... I'll leave off the elephant in the room and not discuss who will be coaching.

That has a much of an impact as all of this other STUFF.
 
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1CHATTVOL said:
Amb,

I have never questioned that you know facts, but when you get on a roll like lately... geez.

A lot of players get a lot of offers, but you've watched the players you mention. They are not as good as advertised. And weren't from the beginning.

You don't think HW can coach; you've made that abundantly clear. But is it fair to blame her for all the losses and say the wins are because of the talented players? And not even acknowledge that she recruited the players, that they have made improvements individually, and that our best players passed up being first round draft picks to come back and play for HW?
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The fact that Holly can beat 3 of the 4 Final Four participants and still lose 13 games on the season is a damning indictment on her abilities as a coach. It shows that she can't get her team to consistently perform over the course of the past two seasons, despite having more talent than most most teams on the country and occasionally getting them to play well enough to score a few marquee wins.

I don't give her much credit for players like Diamond, MR or Jaime improving. Those were all top 5 players. It doesn't take much. But she has done zilch with the rest of the talented players on her roster, especially the ones that weren't can't miss stars but still highly regarded enough to warrant attention from major programs (Jackson, Middleton, Dunbar in particular).

Holly has shown that she's a very good recruiter and the players seem to like her enough, but HS players outside of the elite echelon are better off going elsewhere. She needs them to be complete players when they walk in the door for the first time, because she cannot make them more complete players. Holly could never make a star out of someone like Tiffany Mitchell, Morgan William, or Makayla Epps.
 
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Amb3096 said:
No, communications and criminal justice are not real degrees. There is a reason they are the most popular jock degrees. Maybe you can get a job with a communications degree if you looked for a top tier internship and network like Cierra Burdick did. But otherwise...that will get you a job at Starbucks or Whole Foods.

When "people" make up facts and assume they know a few...whoa

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...majors-of-college-football-players-694764.php


I also worked overseas for a few years, and loved the fact that I made friends from all over the world, got to travel extensively to places I never thought I'd go, and experience a new culture that was completely foreign to me. To each their own.

And playing basketball for a living while getting the summer off and making more money than a typical post-graduation office (or retail, for those communications/criminal justice majors) is definitely glamorous.
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When people make up facts and assume they know something...whoa

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...majors-of-college-football-players-694764.php
 
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Amb3096 said:
The fact that Holly can beat 3 of the 4 Final Four participants and still lose 13 games on the season is a damning indictment on her abilities as a coach. It shows that she can't get her team to consistently perform over the course of the past two seasons, despite having more talent than most most teams on the country and occasionally getting them to play well enough to score a few marquee wins.

I don't give her much credit for players like Diamond, MR or Jaime improving. Those were all top 5 players. It doesn't take much. But she has done zilch with the rest of the talented players on her roster, especially the ones that weren't can't miss stars but still highly regarded enough to warrant attention from major programs (Jackson, Middleton, Dunbar in particular).

Holly has shown that she's a very good recruiter and the players seem to like her enough, but HS players outside of the elite echelon are better off going elsewhere. She needs them to be complete players when they walk in the door for the first time, because she cannot make them more complete players. Holly could never make a star out of someone like Tiffany Mitchell, Morgan William, or Makayla Epps.
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How does a coach beat 4 top 10 teams and not be a good coach? You obviously have never been a coach or truly know anything about coaching. The players have to be held accountable for their actions. Too many times we heard the players say out of their own mouth that they overlooked an opponent. How can you honestly sit here and blame HW for EVERYTHING wrong all while not giving due credit for the accomplishments she did achieve?
 
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mikey2smart said:
How does a coach beat 4 top 10 teams and not be a good coach? You obviously have never been a coach or truly know anything about coaching. The players have to be held accountable for their actions. Too many times we heard the players say out of their own mouth that they overlooked an opponent. How can you honestly sit here and blame HW for EVERYTHING wrong all while not giving due credit for the accomplishments she did achieve?
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How does one think that someone is a good coach when they lose to a bunch of teams that have far less talented players on a consistent basis? The wins against the good teams just shows how badly the team is underperforming.

Players accountable for their actions? No, the coach is accountable for the team...and that includes getting the players to play to their ability. I don't place any value on their canned post-game comments, because it's probably unwise for them to throw their coach under the bus if they want to continue playing.

I give Holly credit for her marquee wins, but I also blame her for inexcusable losses against far lesser teams. She has multi-game losing streaks going on against Alabama and Virginia Tech. That's not a sign of a good coach.
 
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Amb3096 said:
How does one think that someone is a good coach when they lose to a bunch of teams that have far less talented players on a consistent basis? The wins against the good teams just shows how badly the team is underperforming.

Players accountable for their actions? No, the coach is accountable for the team...and that includes getting the players to play to their ability. I don't place any value on their canned post-game comments, because it's probably unwise for them to throw their coach under the bus if they want to continue playing.

I give Holly credit for her marquee wins, but I also blame her for inexcusable losses against far lesser teams. She has multi-game losing streaks going on against Alabama and Virginia Tech. That's not a sign of a good coach.
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A coach is there to teach and show the players what they should do in a given situation. It is up to the players to take the knowledge and apply it. The AD understands that aspect of coaching. Most fans who aren't coach's do not which is why you can ask for her head all day and she is still the HC. My advice is if you can't do a better job than she is and back it up with proven facts, your comments then become just another fan that is living in a fantasy world that you have all the answer. You know it all anyway (or at least you think you do) so I think trying to get you to understand you don't is a waste of time, effort and energy. I digress!
 
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mikey2smart said:
A coach is there to teach and show the players what they should do in a given situation. It is up to the players to take the knowledge and apply it. The AD understands that aspect of coaching. Most fans who aren't coach's do not which is why you can ask for her head all day and she is still the HC. My advice is if you can't do a better job than she is and back it up with proven facts, your comments then become just another fan that is living in a fantasy world that you have all the answer. You know it all anyway (or at least you think you do) so I think trying to get you to understand you don't is a waste of time, effort and energy. I digress!
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So it's the players fault when they lose and the coach's excellence when they win. Got it.

The only fantasy is you thinking that Holly, with her 26 losses over two seasons, is even remotely a good coach despite the occasional win over less talented, but better coached, teams.
 
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mikey2smart said:
A coach is there to teach and show the players what they should do in a given situation. It is up to the players to take the knowledge and apply it.
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Yes this is absolutely true....

But if the athlete does not do her part, wither through skill or will, it is 100% responsibility of the COACH to be sure the player is competent in the taught skill.

If not, it becomes the responsibility of the COACH to not reward the lack of implementation on the part of the player.

Coach can continue to teach the skill to the player, or can just sit the player on the bench. Or, the coach can just accept that the player is not good enough, or doesn't have the will to learn the skill, and reward that player anyway.

The COACH always is responsible because she has 100% control of the program and can change the program as she sees fit.
 
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Amb3096 said:
So it's the players fault when they lose and the coach's excellence when they win. Got it.

The only fantasy is you thinking that Holly, with her 26 losses over two seasons, is even remotely a good coach despite the occasional win over less talented, but better coached, teams.
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I didn't say that at all. I said everything is not the coach's fault which is totally different from putting all the blame on the players. I said we need to hold the players accountable for their lack luster approach to certain games based on who they are playing. I think all can be blamed for the troubles UT has faced the past two seasons. You, however, seem to think differently. But again I digress!
 
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LasVegasBill23 said:
Yes this is absolutely true....

But if the athlete does not do her part, wither through skill or will, it is 100% responsibility of the COACH to be sure the player is competent in the taught skill.

If not, it becomes the responsibility of the COACH to not reward the lack of implementation on the part of the player.

Coach can continue to teach the skill to the player, or can just sit the player on the bench. Or, the coach can just accept that the player is not good enough, or doesn't have the will to learn the skill, and reward that player anyway.

The COACH always is responsible because she has 100% control of the program and can change the program as she sees fit.
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Granted I agree with the majority of your post; however, you also have to take into account the things that happen outside of the coach's control i.e. injuries for example. If the player isn't getting what you are teaching them, you don't just sit them with nothing better to replace them with. I think the players have a "I want to be on the court for the majority of the game" attitude and that is why they don't come out with the UT of old attitude of getting this game over within the first 5 minutes and cruising the rest of the way. The play of certain players suggest they don't really have a killer instinct that UT players use to have. That is why you see a lot of the patting of their chest saying "my bad" when their beat to the basket. UT players of old took pride in that aspect of the game. That is the difference and why I said players need to be held accountable for the work they produce on the court.
 
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Amb3096 said:
I don't give her much credit for players like Diamond, MR or Jaime improving. Those were all top 5 players. It doesn't take much. But she has done zilch with the rest of the talented players on her roster, especially the ones that weren't can't miss stars but still highly regarded enough to warrant attention from major programs (Jackson, Middleton, Dunbar in particular).

Holly has shown that she's a very good recruiter and the players seem to like her enough, but HS players outside of the elite echelon are better off going elsewhere. She needs them to be complete players when they walk in the door for the first time, because she cannot make them more complete players. Holly could never make a star out of someone like Tiffany Mitchell, Morgan William, or Makayla Epps.
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Amb,

Like 1CHATTVOL stated, it is clear that you are factually knowledgeable, however, if you cannot see the improvement in Alexa Middleton and, yes, MeMe Jackson, it appears that you are letting your antipathy toward Holly Warlick cloud your judgment and simply do not want to see. A review of their respective stats show that each has improved over the previous season, but, more importantly, each has shown significant improvement in areas not reflected in the stats. Alexa has significantly improved her ball handling and her understanding of her capabilities. Where she would panic when pressed during the '15-'16 season, she learned to deal with the pressure. She also learned not to routinely attempt to dribble through a double-team but rather, pull back and find an open teammate. This resulted in her not turning the ball over as much. MeMe improved her offensive game and both became better defenders. Were either of them AA calibre players? No, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any improvement. And, while you want to discount any coaching involvement in the improvement in Mercedes Russell, the difference between last season's play and her freshman year is tremendous! Sure, a significant factor was the surgery to her feet which improved her physical capabilities, but the surgery alone simply doesn't account for the measurable improvement!

Am I saying that the coaching staff doesn't have considerable room for improvement? No, I'm not. I, too, feel that the Holly and the staff need to make significant strides in learning how to manage the players on the team. It's my opinion that Holly is still caught in the role of being a friend to the players and hasn't fully adapted to her role as a head coach. I'm also of the opinion that Holly hasn't truly learned game/clock management yet. In part, this was impacted by her short bench this season, which resulted in role players having to play a more significant role. Also, in my opinion, the stagnation we, as fans, saw in the offensive play was partially a result of the short bench. No one can deny that the offense looked better when the players were moving constantly, but we never saw an entire game where that movement didn't cease and the players started standing around! The short bench resulted from a problem with the coaching staff and, as the head coach, Holly addressed the problem and the result was, arguably, the number 1 recruiting class for this year and a significant start on the next class. Perhaps, just perhaps, she should be given enough time to see if she has recognized other problem areas and will take steps to correct them, as well.

Does all of this mean that Holly and her staff should be given an unlimited amount of time to make the necessary changes to return the Lady Vol program to its historical status? No, it doesn't. But, at the same time, the constant sniping by a very vocal minority begins to wear thin after a while. And anyone who wants to kid themselves and think that parents and recruits aren't reading this board and others is, in my opinion, delusional. And, again, in my opinion, if the coaching staff loses out on even one quality recruit because of the self-important proclamations of that vocal minority, most of whom, I would be willing to bet, have never attended a practice or coached a team of young athletes, regarding the inability of the staff to improve a player's performance, then those of you who fit in that category should be ashamed of yourselves.

Jim
 
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CannonVol80 said:
Amb,

Like 1CHATTVOL stated, it is clear that you are factually knowledgeable, however, if you cannot see the improvement in Alexa Middleton and, yes, MeMe Jackson, it appears that you are letting your antipathy toward Holly Warlick cloud your judgment and simply do not want to see. A review of their respective stats show that each has improved over the previous season, but, more importantly, each has shown significant improvement in areas not reflected in the stats. Alexa has significantly improved her ball handling and her understanding of her capabilities. Where she would panic when pressed during the '15-'16 season, she learned to deal with the pressure. She also learned not to routinely attempt to dribble through a double-team but rather, pull back and find an open teammate. This resulted in her not turning the ball over as much. MeMe improved her offensive game and both became better defenders. Were either of them AA calibre players? No, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any improvement. And, while you want to discount any coaching involvement in the improvement in Mercedes Russell, the difference between last season's play and her freshman year is tremendous! Sure, a significant factor was the surgery to her feet which improved her physical capabilities, but the surgery alone simply doesn't account for the measurable improvement!

Am I saying that the coaching staff doesn't have considerable room for improvement? No, I'm not. I, too, feel that the Holly and the staff need to make significant strides in learning how to manage the players on the team. It's my opinion that Holly is still caught in the role of being a friend to the players and hasn't fully adapted to her role as a head coach. I'm also of the opinion that Holly hasn't truly learned game/clock management yet. In part, this was impacted by her short bench this season, which resulted in role players having to play a more significant role. Also, in my opinion, the stagnation we, as fans, saw in the offensive play was partially a result of the short bench. No one can deny that the offense looked better when the players were moving constantly, but we never saw an entire game where that movement didn't cease and the players started standing around! The short bench resulted from a problem with the coaching staff and, as the head coach, Holly addressed the problem and the result was, arguably, the number 1 recruiting class for this year and a significant start on the next class. Perhaps, just perhaps, she should be given enough time to see if she has recognized other problem areas and will take steps to correct them, as well.

Does all of this mean that Holly and her staff should be given an unlimited amount of time to make the necessary changes to return the Lady Vol program to its historical status? No, it doesn't. But, at the same time, the constant sniping by a very vocal minority begins to wear thin after a while. And anyone who wants to kid themselves and think that parents and recruits aren't reading this board and others is, in my opinion, delusional. And, again, in my opinion, if the coaching staff loses out on even one quality recruit because of the self-important proclamations of that vocal minority, most of whom, I would be willing to bet, have never attended a practice or coached a team of young athletes, regarding the inability of the staff to improve a player's performance, then those of you who fit in that category should be ashamed of yourselves.

Jim
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Jim,

Thank you for a well place and thought out argument. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said!
 
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CannonVol80 said:
Amb,

Like 1CHATTVOL stated, it is clear that you are factually knowledgeable, however, if you cannot see the improvement in Alexa Middleton and, yes, MeMe Jackson, it appears that you are letting your antipathy toward Holly Warlick cloud your judgment and simply do not want to see. A review of their respective stats show that each has improved over the previous season, but, more importantly, each has shown significant improvement in areas not reflected in the stats. Alexa has significantly improved her ball handling and her understanding of her capabilities. Where she would panic when pressed during the '15-'16 season, she learned to deal with the pressure. She also learned not to routinely attempt to dribble through a double-team but rather, pull back and find an open teammate. This resulted in her not turning the ball over as much. MeMe improved her offensive game and both became better defenders. Were either of them AA calibre players? No, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any improvement. And, while you want to discount any coaching involvement in the improvement in Mercedes Russell, the difference between last season's play and her freshman year is tremendous! Sure, a significant factor was the surgery to her feet which improved her physical capabilities, but the surgery alone simply doesn't account for the measurable improvement!

Am I saying that the coaching staff doesn't have considerable room for improvement? No, I'm not. I, too, feel that the Holly and the staff need to make significant strides in learning how to manage the players on the team. It's my opinion that Holly is still caught in the role of being a friend to the players and hasn't fully adapted to her role as a head coach. I'm also of the opinion that Holly hasn't truly learned game/clock management yet. In part, this was impacted by her short bench this season, which resulted in role players having to play a more significant role. Also, in my opinion, the stagnation we, as fans, saw in the offensive play was partially a result of the short bench. No one can deny that the offense looked better when the players were moving constantly, but we never saw an entire game where that movement didn't cease and the players started standing around! The short bench resulted from a problem with the coaching staff and, as the head coach, Holly addressed the problem and the result was, arguably, the number 1 recruiting class for this year and a significant start on the next class. Perhaps, just perhaps, she should be given enough time to see if she has recognized other problem areas and will take steps to correct them, as well.

Does all of this mean that Holly and her staff should be given an unlimited amount of time to make the necessary changes to return the Lady Vol program to its historical status? No, it doesn't. But, at the same time, the constant sniping by a very vocal minority begins to wear thin after a while. And anyone who wants to kid themselves and think that parents and recruits aren't reading this board and others is, in my opinion, delusional. And, again, in my opinion, if the coaching staff loses out on even one quality recruit because of the self-important proclamations of that vocal minority, most of whom, I would be willing to bet, have never attended a practice or coached a team of young athletes, regarding the inability of the staff to improve a player's performance, then those of you who fit in that category should be ashamed of yourselves.

Jim
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Same people...same sniping every day. It is very frustrating to read the same poor mouthing every day. This should be a fans forum and not a forum dedicated to slander. BTW, 1000+ likes for keeping it real.
 
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CannonVol80 said:
Amb,

Like 1CHATTVOL stated? Item. is clear that you are factually knowledgeable, however, if you cannot see the improvement in Alexa Middleton and, yes, MeMe Jackson, it appears that you are letting your antipathy, toward Holly Warlick cloud your judgment and simply do not want to see. A review of their respective stats show that each has improved over the previous season, but, more importantly, each has shown significant improvement in areas not reflected in the stats. Alexa has significantly improved her ball handling and her understanding of her capabilities. Where she would panic when pressed during the '15-'16 season, she learned to deal with the pressure. She also learned not to routinely attempt to dribble through a double-team but rather, pull back and find an open teammate. This resulted in her not turning the ball over as much. MeMe improved her offensive game and both became better defenders. Were either of them AA calibre players? No, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any improvement. And, while you want to discount any coaching involvement in the improvement in Mercedes Russell, the difference between last season's play and her freshman year is tremendous! Sure, a significant factor was the surgery to her feet which improved her physical capabilities, but the surgery alone simply doesn't account for the measurable improvement!

Am I saying that the coaching staff doesn't have considerable room for improvement? No, I'm not. I, too, feel that the Holly and the staff need to make significant strides in learning how to manage the players on the team. It's my opinion that Holly is still caught in the role of being a friend to the players and hasn't fully adapted to her role as a head coach. I'm also of the opinion that Holly hasn't truly learned game/clock management yet. In part, this was impacted by her short bench this season, which resulted in role players having to play a more significant role. Also, in my opinion, the stagnation we, as fans, saw in the offensive play was partially a result of the short bench. No one can deny that the offense looked better when the players were moving constantly, but we never saw an entire game where that movement didn't cease and the players started standing around! The short bench resulted from a problem with the coaching staff and, as the head coach, Holly addressed the problem and the result was, arguably, the number 1 recruiting class for this year and a significant start on the next class. Perhaps, just perhaps, she should be given enough time to see if she has recognized other problem areas and will take steps to correct them, as well.

Does all of this mean that Holly and her staff should be given an unlimited amount of time to make the necessary changes to return the Lady Vol program to its historical status? No, it doesn't. But, at the same time, the constant sniping by a very vocal minority begins to wear thin after a while. And anyone who wants to kid themselves and think that parents and recruits aren't reading this board and others is, in my opinion, delusional. And, again, in my opinion, if the coaching staff loses out on even one quality recruit because of the self-important proclamations of that vocal minority, most of whom, I would be willing to bet, have never attended a practice or coached a team of young athletes, regarding the inability of the staff to improve a player's performance, then those of you who fit in that category should be ashamed of yourselves.

Jim
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Jim,

Thank you for a well place and thought out argument. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said!
 
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We are so lucky to have a coach like Holly!!!! :good!:

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mikey2smart said:
Another negavol!
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mikey2, we all have our place in the Great Scheme and darthie is the ultimate nega....but he is a Vol. One darthie is equivalent to @1,000 posivols. THAT is the reason we need no other negas. darthie is sufficient unto himself and ample to the forum:p.

Note: when he doesn't lose himself in negativity he'll have some really good posts:thumbsup:.
 
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