Another Sign The End Is Near

#53
#53
What about homosexuals who become straight? Did their genes suddenly change? Or maybe they have some sort of half gay gene, similar to the mixed feelings gene possessed by bisexuals.
 
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#54
chavisut said:
What about homosexuals who become straight? Did their genes suddenly change? Or maybe they have some sort of half gay gene, similar to the mixed feelings gene possessed by bisexuals.
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Don't bother interjecting facts, it will only confuse the masses. I will take it one step further, what about the straight people who turn gay only to go back straight later in life??
 
#56
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Don't bother interjecting facts, it will only confuse the masses. I will take it one step further, what about the straight people who turn gay only to go back straight later in life??
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you might point out a fact in there.

The bottom line is that there are some people clearly attracted to both, but I didn't see a fact in there that showed why.

If no predisposition exists, why are the vast majority attracted solely to the opposite sex?
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#57
#57
once again.....

No one has identified (or even claimed to have identified) a "gay gene,"
 
#59
#59
doozer said:
then why would somebody "choose" to live a life that generally involves them being misunderstood, ridiculed, stereotyped, and generally made fun of on a regular basis?
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Thats simple. They like the attention
 
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doozer said:
:eek:lol:

yes, i know people who love to be ostracized and denied basic civil rights just so they can be with another person of the same sex.

that makes tons of sense.
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Yea being born gay makes alot of since too. I guess your point would be the feminine males or masculine females usually turn out gay right?? I know plenty of people like this who are married to the opposite sex. Whats next?
 
#65
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**ORANGEBLOOD** said:
I think some people are born more apt to be gay than others. Just like some people are born more apt to rob banks, murder, and rape than others. It's a choice period.
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wrong, period.

volfan8 said:
Yea being born gay makes alot of since too. I guess your point would be the feminine males or masculine females usually turn out gay right?? I know plenty of people like this who are married to the opposite sex. Whats next?
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I don't think that's what his point was at all.
 
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volfan8 said:
Yea being born gay makes alot of since too. I guess your point would be the feminine males or masculine females usually turn out gay right?? I know plenty of people like this who are married to the opposite sex. Whats next?
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this makes no sense in this context.
 
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doozer said:
:eek:lol:

yes, i know people who love to be ostracized and denied basic civil rights just so they can be with another person of the same sex.

that makes tons of sense.
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What basic civil rights have gays denied? Can't they vote and buy guns? Own property? Go to public schools?
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Yep...that's how it went down for me too.

I never once sat down and weighed the pros and cons of romancing men vs. women...I just always had an attraction to the ladies.

So, if it's that way for us, what makes it different for homosexuals? Rex, RockyTopEmpire, can you guys please explain?
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Let me explain. Homosexual impulses are not in and of themselves sinful, rather it is the acting out of these desires that is wrong. As human being we are all subject the desires of the flesh and we all have control over the same desires. Its when we choose to give into them that sin begins. Whether you are a Christian or not will, of course influence your thoughts on the matter, but this is a subject upon which the bible is very clear. Romans 1:26-28 and 32. I cant state it any better than this....

"I Was Born This Way"


Many homosexuals argue that they have not chosen their condition, but that they were born that way, making homosexual behavior natural for them.

But because something was not chosen does not mean it was inborn. Some desires are acquired or strengthened by habituation and conditioning instead of by conscious choice. For example, no one chooses to be an alcoholic, but one can become habituated to alcohol. Just as one can acquire alcoholic desires (by repeatedly becoming intoxicated) without consciously choosing them, so one may acquire homosexual desires (by engaging in homosexual fantasies or behavior) without consciously choosing them.

Since sexual desire is subject to a high degree of cognitive conditioning in humans (there is no biological reason why we find certain scents, forms of dress, or forms of underwear sexually stimulating), it would be most unusual if homosexual desires were not subject to a similar degree of cognitive conditioning.

Even if there is a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality (and studies on this point are inconclusive), the behavior remains unnatural because homosexuality is still not part of the natural design of humanity. It does not make homosexual behavior acceptable; other behaviors are not rendered acceptable simply because there may be a genetic predisposition toward them.

For example, scientific studies suggest some people are born with a hereditary disposition to alcoholism, but no one would argue someone ought to fulfill these inborn urges by becoming an alcoholic. Alcoholism is not an acceptable "lifestyle" any more than homosexuality is.
 
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rexvol said:
Let me explain. Homosexual impulses are not in and of themselves sinful, rather it is the acting out of these desires that is wrong. As human being we are all subject the desires of the flesh and we all have control over the same desires. Its when we choose to give into them that sin begins. Whether you are a Christian or not will, of course influence your thoughts on the matter, but this is a subject upon which the bible is very clear. Romans 1:26-28 and 32. I cant state it any better than this....

"I Was Born This Way"


Many homosexuals argue that they have not chosen their condition, but that they were born that way, making homosexual behavior natural for them.

But because something was not chosen does not mean it was inborn. Some desires are acquired or strengthened by habituation and conditioning instead of by conscious choice. For example, no one chooses to be an alcoholic, but one can become habituated to alcohol. Just as one can acquire alcoholic desires (by repeatedly becoming intoxicated) without consciously choosing them, so one may acquire homosexual desires (by engaging in homosexual fantasies or behavior) without consciously choosing them.

Since sexual desire is subject to a high degree of cognitive conditioning in humans (there is no biological reason why we find certain scents, forms of dress, or forms of underwear sexually stimulating), it would be most unusual if homosexual desires were not subject to a similar degree of cognitive conditioning.

Even if there is a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality (and studies on this point are inconclusive), the behavior remains unnatural because homosexuality is still not part of the natural design of humanity. It does not make homosexual behavior acceptable; other behaviors are not rendered acceptable simply because there may be a genetic predisposition toward them.

For example, scientific studies suggest some people are born with a hereditary disposition to alcoholism, but no one would argue someone ought to fulfill these inborn urges by becoming an alcoholic. Alcoholism is not an acceptable "lifestyle" any more than homosexuality is.
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IT IS A CHOICE.......It's that simple.
 
#73
#73
rexvol said:
Let me explain. Homosexual impulses are not in and of themselves sinful, rather it is the acting out of these desires that is wrong. As human being we are all subject the desires of the flesh and we all have control over the same desires. Its when we choose to give into them that sin begins. Whether you are a Christian or not will, of course influence your thoughts on the matter, but this is a subject upon which the bible is very clear. Romans 1:26-28 and 32. I cant state it any better than this....

"I Was Born This Way"


Many homosexuals argue that they have not chosen their condition, but that they were born that way, making homosexual behavior natural for them.

But because something was not chosen does not mean it was inborn. Some desires are acquired or strengthened by habituation and conditioning instead of by conscious choice. For example, no one chooses to be an alcoholic, but one can become habituated to alcohol. Just as one can acquire alcoholic desires (by repeatedly becoming intoxicated) without consciously choosing them, so one may acquire homosexual desires (by engaging in homosexual fantasies or behavior) without consciously choosing them.

Since sexual desire is subject to a high degree of cognitive conditioning in humans (there is no biological reason why we find certain scents, forms of dress, or forms of underwear sexually stimulating), it would be most unusual if homosexual desires were not subject to a similar degree of cognitive conditioning.

Even if there is a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality (and studies on this point are inconclusive), the behavior remains unnatural because homosexuality is still not part of the natural design of humanity. It does not make homosexual behavior acceptable; other behaviors are not rendered acceptable simply because there may be a genetic predisposition toward them.

For example, scientific studies suggest some people are born with a hereditary disposition to alcoholism, but no one would argue someone ought to fulfill these inborn urges by becoming an alcoholic. Alcoholism is not an acceptable "lifestyle" any more than homosexuality is.
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how, again, does this long winded pile of words deal with those who commit suicide or are estranged from their family over their "choice."
 
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BigPapaVol said:
how, again, does this long winded pile of words deal with those who commit suicide or are estranged from their family over their "choice."
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so because it's a lengthy answer it's somehow diminished? Can you explain the people that commit suicide over heterosexual relationships? How about people who are estranged from their families over interracial relationships? What about those who commit suicide because of addiction? I was on my way to put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger because of cocaine addiction when my dad found me and talked me into trying a faith based program. Arent those all choices?
 
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#75
Homosexual activity and pre-marital or extra-marital heterosexual activity are all sinful attempts to find sexual and emotional expression in ways God never intended. God's desire for the person caught in the trap of homosexuality is the same as for every other person caught in the trap of the sin nature; that we submit every area of our lives to Him and be transformed from the inside out by the renewing of our minds and the purifying of our hearts.
 
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