Lexvol
I'm Your Huckleberry
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this argument would make sense if you were being intellectually honest about it, but you're not.so because it's a lengthy answer it's somehow diminished? Can you explain the people that commit suicide over heterosexual relationships? How about people who are estranged from their families over interracial relationships? What about those who commit suicide because of addiction? I was on my way to put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger because of cocaine addiction when my dad found me and talked me into trying a faith based program. Arent those all choices?
this argument would make sense if you were being intellectually honest about it, but you're not.
You know as well as I that the hetero relationship related suicides are about loss of partner. The homo suicides are about the battle over telling society, friends or family.
I don't care about addiction related suicides, I'm talking about people killing themselves over something you're calling a conscious choice.who's being intellectually dishonest here? you completely ignore the question about addiction related suicides. Telling friends and family would only seem to be necessary if you are choosing to practice that lifestyle.
Im not sure I understand the question. What Im saying is simply that there is no sin in having the feelings,, just in acting upon them.
You said being gay is a choice.
Let's say, for instance, there's this guy -- He's attracted to men...wants to be attracted to women, but he's not...he can't help it, just attracted to dudes. But, despite his natural urges to be with men, he chooses a life of celibacy. Is he not still gay, even though he's choosing not to act on the feelings?
You said being gay is a choice.
Let's say, for instance, there's this guy -- He's attracted to men...wants to be attracted to women, but he's not...he can't help it, just attracted to dudes. But, despite his natural urges to be with men, he chooses a life of celibacy. Is he not still gay, even though he's choosing not to act on the feelings?
Many homosexuals argue that they have not chosen their condition, but that they were born that way, making homosexual behavior natural for them.
But because something was not chosen does not mean it was inborn. Some desires are acquired or strengthened by habituation and conditioning instead of by conscious choice. For example, no one chooses to be an alcoholic, but one can become habituated to alcohol. Just as one can acquire alcoholic desires (by repeatedly becoming intoxicated) without consciously choosing them, so one may acquire homosexual desires (by engaging in homosexual fantasies or behavior) without consciously choosing them.
Since sexual desire is subject to a high degree of cognitive conditioning in humans (there is no biological reason why we find certain scents, forms of dress, or forms of underwear sexually stimulating), it would be most unusual if homosexual desires were not subject to a similar degree of cognitive conditioning.
Even if there is a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality (and studies on this point are inconclusive), the behavior remains unnatural because homosexuality is still not part of the natural design of humanity. It does not make homosexual behavior acceptable; other behaviors are not rendered acceptable simply because there may be a genetic predisposition toward them.
For example, scientific studies suggest some people are born with a hereditary disposition to alcoholism, but no one would argue someone ought to fulfill these inborn urges by becoming an alcoholic. Alcoholism is not an acceptable "lifestyle" any more than homosexuality is.
If you watch Will and Grace I would classify you as someone with very bad taste in comedy.