Another UGA player arrested

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#1HomeGrownUTVOL said:
How many arrest has the UGA football team had in the past year? Serious question.
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I’m not sure how many arrests, but I think we’ve had close to 30 incidents related to reckless driving or simply speeding citations since that terrible incident. It’s certainly a problem. I’m not saying GA is any worse than others, but it’s an issue that needs attention for sure.

Edit: my above comments are too lenient, for whatever reason this is happening, it is unacceptable. I don’t know if it is widespread, but fair or not, the spotlight is on GA in this regard. We “GA” need to be a leader in addressing it, especially given the circumstances. Hopefully things get better.
 
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DirtyDawg said:
I’m not sure how many arrests, but I think we’ve had close to 30 incidents related to reckless driving or simply speeding citations since that terrible incident. It’s certainly a problem. I’m not saying GA is any worse than others, but it’s an issue that needs attention for sure.
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As a fan though at this point when do you start to question the “win at all costs” stance?
There have been a lot of really good championship caliber coaches run decently clean programs.
Then you have your Jimbo’s and Urban’s, where will Kirby end up?
 
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#1HomeGrownUTVOL said:
As a fan though at this point when do you start to question the “win at all costs” stance?
There have been a lot of really good championship caliber coaches run decently clean programs.
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Real question, what’s the solution? You start taking guys NIL deals or playing time away and they just transfer out without penalty. For the first time in history, the players hold the power.
 
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Nooga said:
Real question, what’s the solution? You start taking guys NIL deals or playing time away and they just transfer out without penalty. For the first time in history, the players hold the power.
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The people giving the power have to be more selective I will have to say CJH seems to look for a certain type of young man.
 
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#1HomeGrownUTVOL said:
The people giving the power have to be more selective I will have to say CJH seems to look for a certain type of young man.
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I understand you point, but GA also looks for a certain type of young man. Neither Kirby or CJH can determine with accuracy if a particular young man will be a bit wild after getting a boat load of cash! I would think yes would be the thinking in most situations.

So it’s not always about who you recruit, it’s very much about how you lead these young men. I think both coaches try very hard to excel in this.
 
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Nooga said:
Real question, what’s the solution? You start taking guys NIL deals or playing time away and they just transfer out without penalty. For the first time in history, the players hold the power.
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Yeah, I think that’s what we are struggling with. How do you handle it? Fans from other programs and some of our own are quick to say drop the hammer and kick them off the team. I think that’s ridiculous, you are potentially ruining a promising career for a young man that is struggling to find his way. I’m not sure how to handle it, sacrificing a player doesn’t seem right to me. Tough Question!
 
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DirtyDawg said:
Yeah, I think that’s what we are struggling with. How do you handle it? Fans from other programs and some of our own are quick to say drop the hammer and kick them off the team. I think that’s ridiculous, you are potentially ruining a promising career for a young man that is struggling to find his way. I’m not sure how to handle it, sacrificing a player doesn’t seem right to me. Tough Question!
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I’d guess that Kirby has drawn a line for Rara from his previous incident and if the facts come out not in his favor from this most recent infraction, his playing days will be done.

I agree that the fanatics among us, both for and against UGA, are way to quick to play the “holier than thou” card and want to be judge, jury, and executioner as soon as they read a headline.
 
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Nooga said:
I’d guess that Kirby has drawn a line for Rara from his previous incident and if the facts come out not in his favor from this most recent infraction, his playing days will be done.

I agree that the fanatics among us, both for and against UGA, are way to quick to play the “holier than thou” card and want to be judge, jury, and executioner as soon as they read a headline.
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29 Headlines…..
 
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Nooga said:
Real question, what’s the solution? You start taking guys NIL deals or playing time away and they just transfer out without penalty. For the first time in history, the players hold the power.
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You can't transfer away from legal trouble. Maybe it would be best if those players leave if they're in an environment without structure. They may do better in a different environment.
 
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Rockytop10nessee said:
No structure and no accountability. Starts with coach Smart. Good coach, scumbag human being.
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Take away the fixer, let the local justice system force their accountability. These kids need to understand that the world most of us live in isn't very forgiving of this sort of repeated behavior.
 
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Nooga said:
I’d guess that Kirby has drawn a line for Rara from his previous incident and if the facts come out not in his favor from this most recent infraction, his playing days will be done.

I agree that the fanatics among us, both for and against UGA, are way to quick to play the “holier than thou” card and want to be judge, jury, and executioner as soon as they read a headline.
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Kirby had nothing to do with his suspension.

"Under University of Georgia Athletic Association guidelines, Thomas faces immediate suspension for his felony charge."

Eufaula native turned UGA football player ‘Rara’ Thomas arrested on felony violence

Kirby apparently only suspends players for turnovers, blown assignments, missed tackles, etc.
 
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It's sad, but this stuff won't start mattering as far as holding people accountable until they stop winning.

IMO, if Kirby was winning at anything less than the rate he has been, he'd be on the hot seat over it. This isn't a Penn St or Baylor-type scandal, but it is bad enough where national media has picked up on it.
 
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DirtyDawg said:
Really? Yeah, it absolutely seems toxic!!! No way they could ever ban together for a good season! Their head coach is just terrible on all fronts! /s

I mean it’s fine to hate Kirby, but be realistic. How many Vols would love for him to be the HC at TN? If he had went to TN after Bama you’d be Bragging about at least one natty for sure. He isn’t cheating or treating his players wrong.
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sure in 2024, its not cheating anymore. but he learned to recruit from the king of cheaters, and paid guys.
 
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DirtyDawg said:
Yeah, I think that’s what we are struggling with. How do you handle it? Fans from other programs and some of our own are quick to say drop the hammer and kick them off the team. I think that’s ridiculous, you are potentially ruining a promising career for a young man that is struggling to find his way. I’m not sure how to handle it, sacrificing a player doesn’t seem right to me. Tough Question!
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the first thing the coaches can do, is not tolerate the small stuff. that doesn't mean instant revoking of scholarship, but the coaches have to take an active part in the disciplining. If ADs (not just Georgia's) took it seriously they could work in a conduct clause to the contracts, like GPA is. and if memory serves it would help UGA if their GAs/assistant to the regional manager coaches weren't doing the exact same thing.

as someone else pointed out, get rid of the fixers, and I know UT has them too.

the real big difference between UGA and any other program at the moment, is that UGA lost two lives to these type of acts. and seemingly nothing happened to anyone, and the behavior didn't end. that is a stigma yall are going to carry for a LONG time; after what should have been the loudest wake up call imaginable. you aren't going to get any sympathy or apathy for a while.
 
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I don't think what I am about to write is true, but I'll put it out there as a point of consideration.
Alabama could have high graduation rates, because they suggest (or push) players into easier courses.
 
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LouderVol said:
sure in 2024, its not cheating anymore. but he learned to recruit from the king of cheaters, and paid guys.
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How was he cheating before? You think he is so good at it that not even a sliver of his cheating process has been reported? Too many people would be involved to have continuously gotten away with it.
 
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LouderVol said:
the first thing the coaches can do, is not tolerate the small stuff. that doesn't mean instant revoking of scholarship, but the coaches have to take an active part in the disciplining. If ADs (not just Georgia's) took it seriously they could work in a conduct clause to the contracts, like GPA is. and if memory serves it would help UGA if their GAs/assistant to the regional manager coaches weren't doing the exact same thing.

as someone else pointed out, get rid of the fixers, and I know UT has them too.

the real big difference between UGA and any other program at the moment, is that UGA lost two lives to these type of acts. and seemingly nothing happened to anyone, and the behavior didn't end. that is a stigma yall are going to carry for a LONG time; after what should have been the loudest wake up call imaginable. you aren't going to get any sympathy or apathy for a while.
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Yeah, It shouldn’t be happening especially considering. Which I’ve already stated in other posts.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
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Yeah I can’t defend 41%. I’ve no idea why or how this is the case, but it’s unacceptable. I read that these findings come from the players that entered from 2013-2016. Not sure if that’s true, but it was stated in an article on Athensonline. Not that it matters, but hopefully it has improved if this is the case. Either way 41% is terrible.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's sad, but this stuff won't start mattering as far as holding people accountable until they stop winning.

IMO, if Kirby was winning at anything less than the rate he has been, he'd be on the hot seat over it. This isn't a Penn St or Baylor-type scandal, but it is bad enough where national media has picked up on it.
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Yeah, it likely wouldn’t be as newsworthy if not for that terrible incident that claimed two lives, but that happening certainly makes the traffic arrests and even minor citations that have followed newsworthy. If I were a journalist I would keep up with it and report on it.

I’m sure Kirby is being held accountable, but this isn’t yet even close to something that would warrant firing Smart IMO. I do agree that something needs to be done, bc it appears that what is being done isn’t having a desired effect.
 
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