Antifa at it again

[LouderVol]

I would normally agree, but I think when someone walks that aggressively towards you and combined with the tone of voice it is a good chance they are going to attack you.

Do either of you think that is a solid case if the cop wasnt in his blues?

If that was a normal citizen the cop would be seen as the aggressor.

 

[Septic]

Pee on a flag around me and you’ll be sorry, I can promise you that, teeth or no teeth

 

[37L1]

Do either of you think that is a solid case if the cop wasnt in his blues?

If that was a normal citizen the cop would be seen as the aggressor.

I don't know what to say to you. You must be an attorney. Anyone comes at another person like that is going to get what they are looking for 9 times out of 10. You have the right to defend yourself against an aggressor. That person was clearly being very aggressive.

The cop used low level force against that person and neutralized the threat, probably without any significant injury. Why you see this as anything else speaks volumes about your mind set. "The cop parked illegally", WTF is your problem? I hope someone comes at you like that someday and you have to decide in a split second what to do. I suppose you could run, yes? You better hope that the jerk being a jerk ain't faster than you.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I think it's a woman......but, you don't come stomping with your chest out and yelling and waiving your arms around like an idiot when approaching a cop like that, pretty dumb thing to do. I have no problem with this as this person, guaranteed, acts this way most of the time. If he/she rolls up to me like this there is a chance that the exact same thing is going to happen. I'm not going to wait for that person to enter my space, I'm going to diffuse the situation as quickly as possible.

I have no problem with that. I have problem with the fact that you would most likely be arrested for reacting the same way the police officer did in the exact same circumstances.

 

[volfanjustin]

This is how you deal with Antifa.

looks good to me

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don't know what to say to you. You must be an attorney. Anyone comes at another person like that is going to get what they are looking for 9 times out of 10. You have the right to defend yourself against an aggressor. That person was clearly being very aggressive.

The cop used low level force against that person and neutralized the threat, probably without any significant injury. Why you see this as anything else speaks volumes about your mind set. "The cop parked illegally", WTF is your problem? I hope someone comes at you like that someday and you have to decide in a split second what to do. I suppose you could run, yes? You better hope that the jerk being a jerk ain't faster than you.

That cop did NOT use low level force.

Have you ever been body slammed onto cement? There is a very good chance you kill someone doing that if the back of their head bounces off the concrete. If you or I responded in that way to someone running their mouth and walking toward us, without having touched us, or us having retreated from the perceived threat, we're in cuffs. If they did die from the head impact, we're on trial for murder.

 

[37L1]

That cop did NOT use low level force.

Have you ever been body slammed onto cement? There is a very good chance you kill someone doing that if the back of their head bounces off the concrete. If you or I responded in that way to someone running their mouth and walking toward us, without having touched us, or us having retreated from the perceived threat, we're in cuffs. If they did die from the head impact, we're on trial for murder.

If, if , if , if. There is no "if" here. The person didn't die, probably didn't hit "it's" head or get seriously injured. There is a chance but not as good as you make it out to be.
It is considered low level force in the continuum available to the cop that goes from verbal to lethal and everything in between. If video is taken where I'm walking along minding my own business and someone comes at me that way, which is more than "running their mouth and walking toward us" and I take them to the ground and immobilize them, I will not be found guilty. Probably both of us would be arrested until all the facts come out.

We will have to disagree here about what you see and what I see but I have been there, have you?

It's a stupid argument twist anyway. The cop was in uniform doing his job, obviously responding to a call in full uniform and that dumbass acts that way is the reason it happened. This private, you or me, is BS, strawman argument.

 

[tennvols77]

I have no problem with that. I have problem with the fact that you would most likely be arrested for reacting the same way the police officer did in the exact same circumstances.

Possibly. But, that wouldn't matter to me. If the threat exists and my personal space is being encroached upon by some nut walking and talking like that, then so be it. I'm not going to wait to find out intentions when body language and actions appear to be hostile, especially once entering into that 2-3 foot radius of my space.

If the police want to take me in, fine, my lawyers will handle the situation from that point on. I'm not hurt, that is all that matters to me.

 

[BreatheUT]

This is how you deal with Antifa.

Lol...the funny thing is that is most of Antifa right there. They just don't expect to be properly dealt with and they can get away with lawlessness.

 

[82_VOL_83]

This is how you deal with Antifa.

Form tackle. Maybe he could play for the Vols?

 

[Orange_Crush]

If, if , if , if. There is no "if" here. The person didn't die, probably didn't hit "it's" head or get seriously injured. There is a chance but not as good as you make it out to be.
It is considered low level force in the continuum available to the cop that goes from verbal to lethal and everything in between. If video is taken where I'm walking along minding my own business and someone comes at me that way, which is more than "running their mouth and walking toward us" and I take them to the ground and immobilize them, I will not be found guilty. Probably both of us would be arrested until all the facts come out.

We will have to disagree here about what you see and what I see but I have been there, have you?

It's a stupid argument twist anyway. The cop was in uniform doing his job, obviously responding to a call in full uniform and that dumbass acts that way is the reason it happened. This private, you or me, is BS, strawman argument.

I've been there. I understand and have taught the legalities of force and have done the research on most common causes of death during street altercations. Guess what's right up among the top? Punching someone and they bounce the back of their skull off of pavement.

Due to that research, I've been much more careful to not "be there" again, as I'm not interested in punching someone and them dying from it--much less body slamming them onto concrete.

And you have no idea what effect that had on the person body slammed. They went limp when they hit the ground.

If police training gives an officer no other known response to a person walking toward them than to body slam them onto pavement, they need to shutter the program.

And it's not a twist. An officer should have a HIGHER bar of responsibility than the average citizen. Not lower.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Possibly. But, that wouldn't matter to me. If the threat exists and my personal space is being encroached upon by some nut walking and talking like that, then so be it. I'm not going to wait to find out intentions when body language and actions appear to be hostile, especially once entering into that 2-3 foot radius of my space.

If the police want to take me in, fine, my lawyers will handle the situation from that point on. I'm not hurt, that is all that matters to me.

They will take you in. It will be expensive. There is a good chance you'll have murder/manslaughter charges on you if you body slam someone onto pavement.

All because you're a bad ass and won't step aside on an open sidewalk as your first response to an loud mouth.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I've been there. I understand and have taught the legalities of force and have done the research on most common causes of death during street altercations. Guess what's right up among the top? Punching someone and they bounce the back of their skull off of pavement.

Due to that research, I've been much more careful to not "be there" again, as I'm not interested in punching someone and them dying from it--much less body slamming them onto concrete.

And you have no idea what effect that had on the person body slammed. They went limp when they hit the ground.

If police training gives an officer no other known response to a person walking toward them than to body slam them onto pavement, they need to shutter the program.

And it's not a twist. An officer should have a HIGHER bar of responsibility than the average citizen. Not lower.

So this person was simply walking toward the officer? Maybe you need to look again. As a private citizen I would back up once, maybe twice with a warning both times and then throat punch. Much easier than a body slam. A suplex would have been appropriate here also but may have injured the officer......courtesy of Captain Insano.

 

[Orange_Crush]

So this person was simply walking toward the officer? Maybe you need to look again. As a private citizen I would back up once, maybe twice with a warning both times and then throat punch. Much easier than a body slam. A suplex would have been appropriate here also but may have injured the officer......courtesy of Captain Insano.

That's all she did. Unless you want to count "speaking meanly" and swinging her arms in time with her gait as she walked. She never even raised her arms, much less made a threatening move.

You're telling me it's cool for that to be the police default response? Bull****.

I would respond similarly to your description, although I would probably start with an eye gouge/rake as opposed to a throat punch, as that has a higher percentage of landing, would stop the altercation, and offer less potential lethal results--but, like you, all after retreating at least a couple of time. Heck, not just for her benefit. If I can get witnesses testifying that I retreated as far as I could before maiming them, it's a win for me.

Now... Why did that body slam on pavement need to be the default for someone walking toward an officer, speaking meanly, and not even having raised their arms in a threatening gesture? He's scared of a knife? Well, wrapping them up is a stupid response to fear of getting stabbed.

He was either untrained or a psycho.

 

[82_VOL_83]

That's all she did. Unless you want to count "speaking meanly" and swinging her arms in time with her gait as she walked. She never even raised her arms, much less made a threatening move.

You're telling me it's cool for that to be the police default response? Bull****.

I would respond similarly to your description, although I would probably start with an eye gouge/rake as opposed to a throat punch, as that has a higher percentage of landing, would stop the altercation, and offer less potential lethal results--but, like you, all after retreating at least a couple of time. Heck, not just for her benefit. If I can get witnesses testifying that I retreated as far as I could before maiming them, it's a win for me.

Now... Why did that body slam on pavement need to be the default for someone walking toward an officer, speaking meanly, and not even having raised their arms in a threatening gesture? He's scared of a knife? Well, wrapping them up is a stupid response to fear of getting stabbed.

He was either untrained or a psycho.

What was the call in on the person. Had that person assaulted anyone going into the store front? Why were the cops there at all. Don't make this sound like she was just sitting there doing nothing. She was mouthing loud enough to be heard across the street.

I liked the "that was a good tackle" comment at the end.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

That's all she did. Unless you want to count "speaking meanly" and swinging her arms in time with her gait as she walked. She never even raised her arms, much less made a threatening move.

You're telling me it's cool for that to be the police default response? Bull****.

I would respond similarly to your description, although I would probably start with an eye gouge/rake as opposed to a throat punch, as that has a higher percentage of landing, would stop the altercation, and offer less potential lethal results--but, like you, all after retreating at least a couple of time. Heck, not just for her benefit. If I can get witnesses testifying that I retreated as far as I could before maiming them, it's a win for me.

Now... Why did that body slam on pavement need to be the default for someone walking toward an officer, speaking meanly, and not even having raised their arms in a threatening gesture? He's scared of a knife? Well, wrapping them up is a stupid response to fear of getting stabbed.

He was either untrained or a psycho.

Can't disagree more. Antifa does this to normal citizens all the time. Runs up in peoples faces shouting DA things. Untill touched you can't do anything.

When you run up to a cop screaming and throwing your arms this is completely justified. He isn't going to wait on someone to pull a knife on him/her or worse.

This Antifa wanna be thug just learned the difference.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I don't think that was Antifa. She looked like she was on Meth or something. This may have been a repeat call, there are a whole lot of other issues at work here that we know nothing about.

 

[RikidyBones]

So why did that guy get body slammed? Cop was clearly parked illegally. Guy didnt make any contact or pull a weapon.

I get stupid games and stupid prizes, but in this case the cops clearly arent playing by the rules.

With the dialogue at the beginning of "Oh really?" I assume they were called to deal with this individual. With that being the case, it stomped and quickly walked up with aggression. I'd like to know why they were called, if they were.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I don't think that was Antifa. She looked like she was on Meth or something. This may have been a repeat call, there are a whole lot of other issues at work here that we know nothing about.

Not Antifa

 

[Orange_Crush]

Can't disagree more. Antifa does this to normal citizens all the time. Runs up in peoples faces shouting DA things. Untill touched you can't do anything.

When you run up to a cop screaming and throwing your arms this is completely justified. He isn't going to wait on someone to pull a knife on him/her or worse.

This Antifa wanna be thug just learned the difference.

Methinks your politics are clouding your judgment on this. I don't care why they were called, or how often they'd been out, there were lots of other responses that would have been more appropriate than "body slam you onto pavement and possibly kill you because you walked meanly at me while never so much as raising your arms to me".

If he were afraid of a knife, it would be stupid to close, drop your head/eyesight to the side and wrap them in a hug, thus taking rabbit-stabs to the liver and kidneys.

This was stupid and dangerous for everyone involved--including the officer, by the way.

 

[hndog609]

This is how you deal with Antifa.

If this was truly random there were some pretty big liability issues if that resulted in serious injury. OTOH, and this is my working theory, the LEO were called there and this person was already identified as someone causing trouble. For all we know this person was going to be arrested for something they'd already done regardless. These are nuances that matter in how an interaction goes down.

 

[Septic]

Not Antifa

Yikes, that was out of line response by that cop irrespective of reason - very poorly trained. If he was threatened by a woman to the point where he needed to body slam her into the pavement, he's in the wrong line of work.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yikes, that was out of line response by that cop irrespective of reason - very poorly trained. If he was threatened by a woman to the point where he needed to body clam her into the pavement, he's in the wrong line of work.

Please don't ever agree with me again. I feel dirty.

 

[McDad]

If this was truly random there were some pretty big liability issues if that resulted in serious injury. OTOH, and this is my working theory, the LEO were called there and this person was already identified as someone causing trouble. For all we know this person was going to be arrested for something they'd already done regardless. These are nuances that matter in how an interaction goes down.

This is true. I agree with Louder and Crush on the assessment of actions in the video clip. What we do not know is why they were called, what she had done before they arrived, and if she had threatened or harmed anyone.
From the video though, she looks to be a strung out, loudmouth nuisance. Body slamming was a stupid course of action.

 

[tennvols77]

They will take you in. It will be expensive. There is a good chance you'll have murder/manslaughter charges on you if you body slam someone onto pavement.

All because you're a bad ass and won't step aside on an open sidewalk as your first response to an loud mouth.

It's not about being a bad ass. Don't want it to come off that way. But, I'm a man, a grown man, and if someone wants to act a certain way and that way is in any manner, way, shape, or form of approaching me with any intent to harm, ain't going to happen.

In this case it isn't about steeping aside, not like just walking down the sidewalk and some nutter is walking by. The video shows very aggressive and threatening body language while approaching what would be the supposed me in this situation at a rapid pace, I'm not naive or gullible enough to wait and see what might happen, once inside my zone with that perceived threat you lost the right to converse and discuss.