Antifa at it again

#154
#154
Orange_Crush said:
That's all she did. Unless you want to count "speaking meanly" and swinging her arms in time with her gait as she walked. She never even raised her arms, much less made a threatening move.

You're telling me it's cool for that to be the police default response? Bull****.

I would respond similarly to your description, although I would probably start with an eye gouge/rake as opposed to a throat punch, as that has a higher percentage of landing, would stop the altercation, and offer less potential lethal results--but, like you, all after retreating at least a couple of time. Heck, not just for her benefit. If I can get witnesses testifying that I retreated as far as I could before maiming them, it's a win for me.

Now... Why did that body slam on pavement need to be the default for someone walking toward an officer, speaking meanly, and not even having raised their arms in a threatening gesture? He's scared of a knife? Well, wrapping them up is a stupid response to fear of getting stabbed.

He was either untrained or a psycho.
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I agree. Nevermind the fact that is a rather large woman and not a man...a slam to concrete is excessive and in many cases lethal. My best friend, now boss, belly to back suplexed a guy behind a bar on the strip after a Vols game...for punching him...and i thought the guy was dead. Concrete or asphalt is very, very unforgiving.

The only training i ever had was golden gloves, so my natural reaction to anyone closing distance on me is a quick jab. Creates distance, and if need be ranges their head for a power shot from my right hand. I am not a big guy, on the ground with a typically heavier opponent isnt where i want to go. So i personally dont see closing the distance, wrapping up, and potentially killing someone who hasnt committed a crime yet as a good idea, or ethical. Bad decision

FWIW...i am glad that i learned to box, and it has saved my butt many times. If i were coming up today, though I would spend a lot of time learning BJJ , krav maga, lots of submissions and quick ways to end threats. KM in particular is brutal. They train to end threats to themselves very quickly..lots of throat strikes, eye gouges, broken/hyperextended/dislocated arms, etc. Would be great for women as well. The Gracies showed how effective BJJ is...at 140lbs they can compete with and beat heavyweight champions from all the other disciplines of martial arts. Arm bars, chokes, broken ankle submissions, you name it. I dont care how big and bad a man is...when you snap his arm, or cut off the blood supply to his head, he is a punching bag at that point if he is dumb enough to stick around. I wasnt aware of any of these martial arts when i was young enough to learn them though. Now it is too late, lol.

FTR...if a man tucks his head in like that cop did to slam a BJJ expert, he had better hope they are unconscious when they hit the ground. If not, the cop is in a guitolline choke or similar, and has 2 or 3 seconds before he loses consciousness. Then the guy will do whatever he wants with him. Leave your head in...get choked out. Leave an arm in to push yourself up...get it snapped. To some, grappling matches in MMA may be boring to watch. Those who have been in a lot of street or bar fights know they very often end up on the ground, and these guys today are so technical...unless a normal man got super. Super lucky and knocked em out before they could be taken down, you have exactly a 0% chance of doing anything besides getting badly hurt. I am very envious of those who are very proficient in BJJ.
 
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#155
#155
Orange_Crush said:
That read like: "It's not about being a bad ass, but it's definitely about being a bad ass."

The officer had every opportunity to step back/aside and try to have space for attempted deescalation. His response was dangerous to everyone involved.
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Well, there were only two people involved, the perp and the officer. I don't much care about her.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Druggy or not, Antifa or not, a human life is worth the bold. If the cop had done that before escalating, it would have been a completely different conversation.

And again, for your own good, make the bold your first response. You'd be amazed what that extra couple of seconds may show or create. It would be a shame for you to body slam someone onto pavement and be staring down a manslaughter charge because you drove the back of their head into pavement and separated their brain stem. Cause, you know, she was walking threateningly and stuff...

You'll be tried as a "grown man".
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Maybe, juuuuuust maybe, they had prior experience with this individual. Maybe she was a known entity. Maybe an officer had been injured previously....bite, scratch, kick. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to pass judgement on the officer before we know anything other than she violated the first law of confrontation.

Don't start nut'in, wont be nut'in.
 
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#157
#157
Orange_Crush said:
Let me paint a different picture. A woman gets accosted by a drugged out woman in a store. The store calls the police. The police show up and a woman walks violently at the police, shouting at them. The policeman wraps her up and bodyslams her onto the pavement, crushing the back of her skull and killing her.

Well, she shouldn't have been a dumbass, attacking the police like that. The policeman is shaken, but already writing his report in his head, picking language as to how he will best cover himself legally.

At that moment, there is a commotion coming from the store as the store owner is having to deal with the actual druggy woman who had accosted the poor lady who had left the store, hyped up and disheveled from being accosted. Only, as she approached the officer in an animated manner, yelling about the attack she just endured, the officer wrapped her up and drove her skull into the sidewalk.

A mother isn't going home because a badass cop felt he had all the information and an excuse to pile drive someone.

That's why police used to be taught to create space and deescalate--especially when you just pulled up on scene.
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Oh dear Lord, do you have some facts that we don't?
 
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MercyPercy said:
There was a crazy, likely drunk and meth'd out (if i had to guess) lady on the fishing bridge I was at Sunday. She was bothering everyone and even being aggressive in her language and behavior. An hour or so later a cop comes by and grabs her and walks her back down the bridge, and she's fighting with him the whole time. He managed to subdue this crazy, drunk, aggressive lady without tackling her to the concrete.
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shark bait, toss her ass in the water.
 
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#160
Septic said:
I didn't ask to see his voter registration card on the only instance I witnessed it. No true Scotsman though, right?
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I saw it once. Slight problem though...

Said flag burner did it right outside base during an anti-war protest. However, didn't realize he was in view of a bar where the Veteran's MC along with three other pro-military groups had stopped during a poker run for the POW/MIA group. It only needed one of them to see it happening before a whole hoop of angry bikers came out and were about to take issue with his freedom of speech.

Said burner didn't stick around for some reason, though I'm not sure why. And not one policeman was to be found intercepting said bikers and asking them to remain calm.

Situational awareness is key in these situations, I guess.
 
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MercyPercy said:
There was a crazy, likely drunk and meth'd out (if i had to guess) lady on the fishing bridge I was at Sunday. She was bothering everyone and even being aggressive in her language and behavior. An hour or so later a cop comes by and grabs her and walks her back down the bridge, and she's fighting with him the whole time. He managed to subdue this crazy, drunk, aggressive lady without tackling her to the concrete.
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Didn't accidentally "trip" and shove her over the rail trying to regain his footing?

Bad cop! Bad cop! No doughnut for you!
 
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#165
82_VOL_83 said:
Just some facts ma'am...

Cop : WhyWereTheyFilming

This is also nearly a year old so obviously nothing came of it.
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Infilthitwillbe

917 points · 8 months ago · edited 8 months ago

This is downtown Huntington Beach, CA . Lived in the area for years. HB is a beautiful spot to hang out, but is flooded with homeless. Over the past years it’s gotten very bad, with the homeless becoming much more irrational and violent. That homeless gal being tackled is known for posting up on restaurant patios before opening hours and refusing to leave without a fight. She is also the reason the 2012 HB riots started, by throwing a Carl’s Jr. cup full of her own piss on a crowd of people and causing a huge fight by blaming it on opposing sides. (Yes I witnessed her do it). She can go weeks just calmly asking people for change and most people in HB hook her the **** up all the time. Occossaionally she loses it like this and gets really violent .
The downtown HB police are actually very chill cops. They are like Vegas cops, and have seen every manner of drunken crazy you can imagine.
Also in HB there is a street fight every 5 minutes, and an MMA studio every block. The cops are not only usually very well trained in jiu jutsu and some stand up, they deal with this **** every single day.
Source: worked the HB bar scene for Five years, lived in HB for over 10 years.
 
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#174
0nelilreb said:
Damn dude got folded up . It’s not like that dude couldn’t see where it was coming from , he brought that haymaker from down around the South Pole . Lol
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Them knuckles probably stayed on his face for a month. I think he is probably reformed after that. I can hardly breath laughing at that. He swear dude was MMA after those two licks. One to his noggin and the other him hitting the ground.
 
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