Antifa at it again

[CagleMtnVol]

I didn't see where they identified the man by political affiliation. I think it's equally "insane" to assume motive or agenda based on vandalism.

You ever seen a Conservative desecrate a war memorial or the Flag?

 

[Orange_Crush]

It's not about being a bad ass. Don't want it to come off that way. But, I'm a man, a grown man, and if someone wants to act a certain way and that way is in any manner, way, shape, or form of approaching me with any intent to harm, ain't going to happen.

That read like: "It's not about being a bad ass, but it's definitely about being a bad ass."

The officer had every opportunity to step back/aside and try to have space for attempted deescalation. His response was dangerous to everyone involved.

 

[hndog609]

This is true. I agree with Louder and Crush on the assessment of actions in the video clip. What we do not know is why they were called, what she had done before they arrived, and if she had threatened or harmed anyone.
From the video though, she looks to be a strung out, loudmouth nuisance. Body slamming was a stupid course of action.

Without knowing anything else that had transpired and the fact this looked like an unarmed and not particularly in shape lady I'd think something more along the lines of this would have taken care of everything. (And remember he wasn't alone as another officer was there practically as the person hit the ground.)

 

[McDad]

Without knowing anything else that had transpired and the fact this looked like an unarmed and not particularly in shape lady I'd think something more along the lines of this would have taken care of everything. (And remember he wasn't alone as another officer was there practically as the person hit the ground.)

Some marbles tossed out on the ground would have taken care of it.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Without knowing anything else that had transpired and the fact this looked like an unarmed and not particularly in shape lady I'd think something more along the lines of this would have taken care of everything. (And remember he wasn't alone as another officer was there practically as the person hit the ground.)

What ever happened to creating space and trying to deescalate? Police departments used to actually train that.

 

[photovol]

Septic is full of shat

 

[Septic]

You ever seen a Conservative desecrate a war memorial or the Flag?

I didn't ask to see his voter registration card on the only instance I witnessed it. No true Scotsman though, right?

 

[tennvols77]

That read like: "It's not about being a bad ass, but it's definitely about being a bad ass."

The officer had every opportunity to step back/aside and try to have space for attempted deescalation. His response was dangerous to everyone involved.

No. It's about self defense.

I'm not an officer, could he have handled it differently, yes.

But, if that is me, the citizen, and that is coming at me, yep, she is going to be put down. Maybe I do take a few steps back, maybe I tell her to stop, maybe I tell her I'll put her on her ass if she takes another step towards me. Could be one punch, could be to push her down and restrain her, but, point is, yeah, I'm not going to find out and risk any injury what so ever for a person behaving like that and approaching me like that.

Deescalation is only good when the situation can be controlled and that wasn't going to be the case here. So, he should have waited a few seconds, he didn't. You know what, some druggie out of control that's a public nuisance doesn't get my sympathy either.

 

[tennvols77]

Moral of the story is don't act like a jackass and you won't have to worry about any type of physical altercation.

 

[Orange_Crush]

No. It's about self defense.

I'm not an officer, could he have handled it differently, yes.

But, if that is me, the citizen, and that is coming at me, yep, she is going to be put down. Maybe I do take a few steps back, maybe I tell her to stop, maybe I tell her I'll put her on her ass if she takes another step towards me. Could be one punch, could be to push her down and restrain her, but, point is, yeah, I'm not going to find out and risk any injury what so ever for a person behaving like that and approaching me like that.

Deescalation is only good when the situation can be controlled and that wasn't going to be the case here. So, he should have waited a few seconds, he didn't. You know what, some druggie out of control that's a public nuisance doesn't get my sympathy either.

Druggy or not, Antifa or not, a human life is worth the bold. If the cop had done that before escalating, it would have been a completely different conversation.

And again, for your own good, make the bold your first response. You'd be amazed what that extra couple of seconds may show or create. It would be a shame for you to body slam someone onto pavement and be staring down a manslaughter charge because you drove the back of their head into pavement and separated their brain stem. Cause, you know, she was walking threateningly and stuff...

You'll be tried as a "grown man".

 

[LouderVol]

I don't know what to say to you. You must be an attorney. Anyone comes at another person like that is going to get what they are looking for 9 times out of 10. You have the right to defend yourself against an aggressor. That person was clearly being very aggressive.

The cop used low level force against that person and neutralized the threat, probably without any significant injury. Why you see this as anything else speaks volumes about your mind set. "The cop parked illegally", WTF is your problem? I hope someone comes at you like that someday and you have to decide in a split second what to do. I suppose you could run, yes? You better hope that the jerk being a jerk ain't faster than you.

Had it happen a number of times. Drunks, homeless. Never had to resort to violence. Cop does nothing to descalate the situation. Doesnt back up, doesnt put up hands. Just goes straight in for the body slam. Which I would hardly call low level force. He picked the lady up off the ground. You dont have to run, standing your ground is fine. Cop never stopped moving forward.

If these guys were on a call and this was the suspect its hunky dory. But lights weren't on, they are just walking down the street.

I am not anti cop, usually I get called a bootlicker by those who are. But I am not fine with cops taking steps as the aggressor.

 

[tennvols77]

What ever happened to creating space and trying to deescalate? Police departments used to actually train that.

I have no problem with this, he could have reacted 20 different ways than the way he did.

 

[LouderVol]

If, if , if , if. There is no "if" here. The person didn't die, probably didn't hit "it's" head or get seriously injured. There is a chance but not as good as you make it out to be.
It is considered low level force in the continuum available to the cop that goes from verbal to lethal and everything in between. If video is taken where I'm walking along minding my own business and someone comes at me that way, which is more than "running their mouth and walking toward us" and I take them to the ground and immobilize them, I will not be found guilty. Probably both of us would be arrested until all the facts come out.

We will have to disagree here about what you see and what I see but I have been there, have you?

It's a stupid argument twist anyway. The cop was in uniform doing his job, obviously responding to a call in full uniform and that dumbass acts that way is the reason it happened. This private, you or me, is BS, strawman argument.

He was obviously not on a call. He is checking his phone before the lady runs up. If on call his partner would have been in frame long before the takedown.

 

[McDad]

Had it happen a number of times. Drunks, homeless. Never had to resort to violence. Cop does nothing to descalate the situation. Doesnt back up, doesnt put up hands. Just goes straight in for the body slam. Which I would hardly call low level force. He picked the lady up off the ground. You dont have to run, standing your ground is fine. Cop never stopped moving forward.

If these guys were on a call and this was the suspect its hunky dory. But lights weren't on, they are just walking down the street.

I am not anti cop, usually I get called a bootlicker by those who are. But I am not fine with cops taking steps as the aggressor.

Shut up, Boot licker!

 

[Orange_Crush]

Moral of the story is don't act like a jackass and you won't have to worry about any type of physical altercation.

Let me paint a different picture. A woman gets accosted by a drugged out woman in a store. The store calls the police. The police show up and a woman walks violently at the police, shouting at them. The policeman wraps her up and bodyslams her onto the pavement, crushing the back of her skull and killing her.

Well, she shouldn't have been a dumbass, attacking the police like that. The policeman is shaken, but already writing his report in his head, picking language as to how he will best cover himself legally.

At that moment, there is a commotion coming from the store as the store owner is having to deal with the actual druggy woman who had accosted the poor lady who had left the store, hyped up and disheveled from being accosted. Only, as she approached the officer in an animated manner, yelling about the attack she just endured, the officer wrapped her up and drove her skull into the sidewalk.

A mother isn't going home because a badass cop felt he had all the information and an excuse to pile drive someone.

That's why police used to be taught to create space and deescalate--especially when you just pulled up on scene.

 

[LouderVol]

With the dialogue at the beginning of "Oh really?" I assume they were called to deal with this individual. With that being the case, it stomped and quickly walked up with aggression. I'd like to know why they were called, if they were.

I dont think they were. They weren't running lights, partner wasnt anywhere close. Cop checks his cell, and doesnt change posture until the very end.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Methinks your politics are clouding your judgment on this. I don't care why they were called, or how often they'd been out, there were lots of other responses that would have been more appropriate than "body slam you onto pavement and possibly kill you because you walked meanly at me while never so much as raising your arms to me".

If he were afraid of a knife, it would be stupid to close, drop your head/eyesight to the side and wrap them in a hug, thus taking rabbit-stabs to the liver and kidneys.

This was stupid and dangerous for everyone involved--including the officer, by the way.

Got nothing to do with politics. Cops want a 3 ft barrier around them at all times. Come in to their space, in this case which was very aggressive, you get dealt with swiftly.

 

[tennvols77]

Druggy or not, Antifa or not, a human life is worth the bold. If the cop had done that before escalating, it would have been a completely different conversation.

And again, for your own good, make the bold your first response. You'd be amazed what that extra couple of seconds may show or create. It would be a shame for you to body slam someone onto pavement and be staring down a manslaughter charge because you drove the back of their head into pavement and separated their brain stem. Cause, you know, she was walking threateningly and stuff...

You'll be tried as a "grown man".

I equate human life in terms of respect. You get what you put out there. Once again, I probably would not have body slammed her. But, I would have no issue squashing the situation before I am in any type of danger.

And yes, I'm a grown man, and if any situation arose to where I had to defend myself I would and I have, and will never for one second regret action. Dialogue on the internet can't convey everything so a lot gets lost in translation. But, understand, I don't put myself into bad situations, I don't care enough to be in public to where these types of things can happen. Yes, I understand the vast majority of times isn't worth it.

 

[tennvols77]

Let me......

I understand completely with what you are saying. I agree to not react immediately without knowing the situation. However, that isn't the case in this situation on video I presume, I could be wrong, but, I have a feeling this person isn't an unknown to the police in that area.

In your scenario I don't think the cop reacts as you have them. There would be a crowd of people and multiple scenario's happening in front of the cop's eyes. He would not have the option of acting out this way as multiple people would be approaching him trying to speak, regardless of intensity or veracity, and he would be forced to have to communicate to decide what is going on. I can guarantee the druggie is and has been subdued by a man who will be in control of her as the police roll up on scene.

Either way, regardless of any situation we try and create or in this one, I have little sympathy for any out of control person approaching anyone, cop or not, like that, anyone approaching anyone like that shouldn't be surprised to end up on their arse.

 

[MercyPercy]

There was a crazy, likely drunk and meth'd out (if i had to guess) lady on the fishing bridge I was at Sunday. She was bothering everyone and even being aggressive in her language and behavior. An hour or so later a cop comes by and grabs her and walks her back down the bridge, and she's fighting with him the whole time. He managed to subdue this crazy, drunk, aggressive lady without tackling her to the concrete.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

There was a crazy, likely drunk and meth'd out (if i had to guess) lady on the fishing bridge I was at Sunday. She was bothering everyone and even being aggressive in her language and behavior. An hour or so later a cop comes by and grabs her and walks her back down the bridge, and she's fighting with him the whole time. He managed to subdue this crazy, drunk, aggressive lady without tackling her to the concrete.

So you're saying she didn't do a brisk walk towards the cop when he arrived? Gotcha.

 

[volfanjustin]

There was a crazy, likely drunk and meth'd out (if i had to guess) lady on the fishing bridge I was at Sunday. She was bothering everyone and even being aggressive in her language and behavior. An hour or so later a cop comes by and grabs her and walks her back down the bridge, and she's fighting with him the whole time. He managed to subdue this crazy, drunk, aggressive lady without tackling her to the concrete.

you sad one of your fellow antifa loons got f'ed up? I thought it was great

 

[MercyPercy]

So you're saying she didn't do a brisk walk towards the cop when he arrived? Gotcha.

She actually did because she knew she was in trouble and walked straight to him hollering that she didn't do anything. (Lol)

Cop seemed calm and collected. I was pleasantly surprised at how it all turned out considering the way she was acting.

She was also acting aggressively towards other folks on the bridge without actually putting her hands on us and despite many being "grown adult men", no one tackled the **** out of her to prove how tough they were.

 

[McDad]

She actually did because she knew she was in trouble and walked straight to him hollering that she didn't do anything. (Lol)

Cop seemed calm and collected. I was pleasantly surprised at how it all turned out considering the way she was acting.

She was also acting aggressively towards other folks on the bridge without actually putting her hands on us and despite many being "grown adult men", no one tackled the **** out of her to prove how tough they were.

Bet you don't take your wife fishing again.

 

[AM64]

That cop did NOT use low level force.

Have you ever been body slammed onto cement? There is a very good chance you kill someone doing that if the back of their head bounces off the concrete. If you or I responded in that way to someone running their mouth and walking toward us, without having touched us, or us having retreated from the perceived threat, we're in cuffs. If they did die from the head impact, we're on trial for murder.

I'm probably one of the most anti authoritarian types around here. I generally despise people who believe they run things ... either legitimately or illegitimately; and I have a major problem with how cops do things these days. To me 9/11 militarized the police and turned them into a us against them state of mind; and if many cops aren't suffering from anger issues stemming from steroid abuse, then they seem to be really unnaturally big guys who have something else mental going on. BUT there are times that we all have to understand that people responding to emergency situations ARE THE ONES IN CONTROL; we may not like it, but that's what separates us from anarchy and chaos. Absolutely a cop or other civil emergency responder should and actually has the responsibility to deescalate a situation, but none of us is perfect or always rational in the heat of the moment. Just to make my attitude even clearer ... as both a vet and a military brat, I see red when cops call anyone else a "civilian" ... goes to that militaristic us against them thing and demeans the military.

A very good friend of ours was killed in his own home by a cop just over a year ago. He was a retired Navy Lt Commander, a nurse, and honestly one of the most generous, helpful and naturally caring people you would ever meet. It was early morning ... like 1 AM and the cops were responding to a swatting call. He went downstairs (with an pistol held at his side) to see what the disturbance outside his rural home was all about ... protecting his family like any red blooded American would do. He was shot through a kitchen window as he went toward the door ... before he ever realized the disturbance was cops and without cops ever identifying themselves. That certainly did nothing to improve my attitude about cops or the job they do.