Anyone see the NOVA special last night:Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

[joevol320]

I will submit that it takes more faith to believe in evolution, than it does to believe in creation.

Question: If man evolved from apes, why are apes still on earth? Are they special ed or something?

evolutionist can't explain that.

 

[KB5252]

Don't know enough about Intelligent Design to comment but I don't see the process of evolution at odds with a theory of a creator or creative force.

This is where I stand on the issue.

 

[KB5252]

I don't necessarily either, but it is absolutely at odds with ID and creationism.

how so?

 

[rjd970]

how did bats survive if they had to rely on mutations to produce their radar that allows them to eat. just one of hundreds of examples.

Well, because first off, if you understood what the theory says you would know that bat radar wasn't the result of a single mutation, but mutiple small steps that were guided by natural selection over millions of years. Same with the human eye. At one point is was a single light sensitive cell, sooner or later it became able to distinguish color, then focus, and then we have what you use everyday to look in the mirror with. All of these steps provided an evolutionary advantage that allowed those genes to be passed on to offspring, of which more advantageous mutations happened from a better starting point. Lots of animals die in the process with bad mutations, but it works and is perfectly reasonable with generating new species, and the mysterious bat radar.

 

[truefan]

evolutionist can't explain that.

Based on your posts on this subject, it sounds as though you might need to trot down to the local library and check out a few books on just the basics of evolution. And maybe take a science course past sixth grade as well.

 

[rjd970]

how so?

ID states that some omnipotent force designed all life. Evolutions says random gene mutations are guided by the natural environment in which the species lives.

Evolution is far more capricious and cruel, but at the same time more correct.

If you want to say a creator guided the evolutionary process, and that is how he "designed" life", that is one thing. But ID doesn't say that.

 

[joevol320]

Based on your posts on this subject, it sounds as though you might need to trot down to the local library and check out a few books on just the basics of evolution. And maybe take a science course past sixth grade as well.

apparently you have no clue about science. you just keep following like the sheep you are boy.

 

[rjd970]

I will submit that it takes more faith to believe in evolution, than it does to believe in creation.

Question: If man evolved from apes, why are apes still on earth? Are they special ed or something?

They followed a different evolutionary chain.

We can play the silly question game all day long.

Why would a creator decide it is necessary to blanket the earth with 200,000 distinct species of grasshoppers, or have 10 times as many viruses as conventional life on earth? What is the point of giving humans a backbone designed for quadrapedal motion, as opposed to walking upright? Why have us share a genetic code that is >90% identical to chimpanzees?

 

[joevol320]

ID states that some omnipotent force designed all life. Evolutions says random gene mutations are guided by the natural environment in which the species lives.

Evolution is far more capricious and cruel, but at the same time more correct.

If you want to say a creator guided the evolutionary process, and that is how he "designed" life", that is one thing. But ID doesn't say that.

it doesn't say it. it specifically states God created the earth in 7 days. not relying on sludge or mutations to created a more complex design.

 

[joevol320]

They followed a different evolutionary chain.

We can play the silly question game all day long.

Why would a creator decide it is necessary to blanket the earth with 200,000 distinct species of grasshoppers, or have 10 times as many viruses as conventional life on earth? What is the point of giving humans a backbone designed for quadrapedal motion, as opposed to walking upright?

maybe you should try reading Genesis.

 

[Sabanocchio]

Some of you are so predictable. Arrogance doesn't equal correctness FWIW. It never will.

 

[truefan]

maybe you should try reading Genesis.

So you don't believe in evolution or intelligent design. You believe in creationism

 

[joevol320]

So you don't believe in evolution or intelligent design. You believe in creationism

exactly. the reason evolutionist don't want to even reconize intelligent design is they may have to face the possibility of a God. they don't want to face it.

 

[KB5252]

ID states that some omnipotent force designed all life. Evolutions says random gene mutations are guided by the natural environment in which the species lives.

Evolution is far more capricious and cruel, but at the same time more correct.

If you want to say a creator guided the evolutionary process, and that is how he "designed" life", that is one thing. But ID doesn't say that.

I guess that would just depend on who you ask.

Your definition of ID sounds much more like creationism.

 

[rjd970]

exactly. the reason evolutionist don't want to even reconize intelligent design is they may have to face the possibility of a God. they don't want to face it.

So you believe, that man was fashioned out of dust and divine breath, by the hand of an almighty God, in a garden with a talking snake, in the year 4009 b.c.e.?

I mean, because, that is a literalist interpretation of Genesis.

 

[T-TownVol]

They followed a different evolutionary chain.
We can play the silly question game all day long.

Why would a creator decide it is necessary to blanket the earth with 200,000 distinct species of grasshoppers, or have 10 times as many viruses as conventional life on earth? What is the point of giving humans a backbone designed for quadrapedal motion, as opposed to walking upright? Why have us share a genetic code that is >90% identical to chimpanzees?

Or, no evolutionary chain at all.

Grouping animals into Homologous families because they are similar, is not proof of evolution.

Genetic codes Are different. It is a stretch to link them to other animals.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Would NATGEO please quit pushing that a Turkey was a t-rex..... I mean honestly!

 

[rjd970]

I guess that would just depend on who you ask.

Your definition of ID sounds much more like creationism.

Ask any ID proponent who the intelligent designer actually is and it starts to become very quasi-religious. Ask who designed the designer and all logic is thrown out the door (including the basis for ID) and it becomes outright religious.

 

[truefan]

exactly. the reason evolutionist don't want to even reconize intelligent design is they may have to face the possibility of a God. they don't want to face it.

Again, and I am serious, you really need to read some objective literature on the matter. Many "evolutionists" believe in God. In fact, more believe than don't believe, but one thing is for certain: There is tons of proof it took much more than 7 days for the earth to be created as we know it.

 

[T-TownVol]

So you believe, that man was fashioned out of dust and divine breath, by the hand of an almighty God, in a garden with a talking snake, in the year 4009 b.c.e.?

I mean, because, that is a literalist interpretation of Genesis.

Yes, like I said before, it takes WAY more faith to believe in man's theory of evolution.

 

[KB5252]

Ask any ID proponent who the intelligent designer actually is and it starts to become very quasi-religious. Ask who designed the designer and all logic is thrown out the door (including the basis for ID) and it becomes outright religious.

This may be true and depending on what religion this person ascribes to you would get a few different details.

Why did the designer need to be designed? This is as silly a question as some of those posted by others you quickly dismissed.

 

[rjd970]

Or, no evolutionary chain at all.

Grouping animals into Homologous families because they are similar, is not proof of evolution.

Genetic codes Are different. It is a stretch to link them to other animals.

I guess I can see where you are coming from if you want to dismiss, on an outright basis, similarities between species and genetic make-ups.

I would also turn to supernatural explanations if I chose to disregard physical evidence.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

4009 bc???????

How did you get that?

 

[rjd970]

Why did the designer need to be designed? This is as silly a question as some of those posted by others you quickly dismissed.

No, it is a central question of ID that must be addressed. If something complex had to have a designer...the foundation of the theory....then the designer by definition would be complex and need a designer as well.

 

[KB5252]

Again, and I am serious, you really need to read some objective literature on the matter. Many "evolutionists" believe in God. In fact, more believe than don't believe, but one thing is for certain: There is tons of proof it took much more than 7 days for the earth to be created as we know it.

And I agree with you, as do many Christians.