Anyone with insight to how this played out??

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vol66 said:
The point of posting both views is simple. None of it was incredible. babyvol got info and LWS got info from different places and drew different conclusions...whether it was a done deal or a less than 5% chance, it was real.

This has bothered me...the portrayal of all Vol fans as nut jobs. Truth is, the AD and the Boosters, big, medium and small got in a pissing match because they did not ALL have the same goal, they weren't in lock step. Why didn't they put a stop to the Grumors after 5, 6, 10 days? They certainly could have.

It's over. We'll never get the answers because those in charge are a wee bit embarrassed.

I just hope they can all get together. It's not fans on the internet at fault, info was leaked for whatever reason and people do what people do...try to make sense out of it. GBO!
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Why did the the UT AD need to squash message board rumors? By the end of week one of the official search it was put to rest by JGs agent and the media that had access to the UT AD. Hyams said JG was off the table plain as day but no one wanted to hear it. Should they have held a presser with JG just to say it wasnt happeninc? Hart has said he reached out and was told "no thanks". End of story.

It's this idea that it was a done deal all the way up to 2am last night if not for Hart going rogue and hiring CBJ like Woodrow Wilson sneaking the Federal Reserve into law while congress was in recess that is making some, not all, people look crazy.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Why did the the UT AD need to squash message board rumors? By the end of week one of the official search it was put to rest by JGs agent and the media that had access to the UT AD. Hyams said JG was off the table plain as day but no one wanted to hear it. Should they have held a presser with JG just to say it wasnt happeninc? Hart has said he reached out and was told "no thanks". End of story.

It's this idea that it was a done deal all the way up to 2am last night if not for Hart going rogue and hiring CBJ like Woodrow Wilson sneaking the Federal Reserve into law while congress was in recess that is making some, not all, people look crazy.
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Three signatures were needed to sign a coach and the budget was 18 million.

A Lot of people in Knoxville know the truth.

More than just message board randoms. Realtors, bankers, local school administrators.

A lot.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Why did the the UT AD need to squash message board rumors? By the end of week one of the official search it was put to rest by JGs agent and the media that had access to the UT AD. Hyams said JG was off the table plain as day but no one wanted to hear it. Should they have held a presser with JG just to say it wasnt happeninc? Hart has said he reached out and was told "no thanks". End of story.

It's this idea that it was a done deal all the way up to 2am last night if not for Hart going rogue and hiring CBJ like Woodrow Wilson sneaking the Federal Reserve into law while congress was in recess that is making some, not all, people look crazy.
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I'm not going to speak on anyone else's behalf. This is my opinion.

I do not believe Hart or the administration wanted Gruden...ever.

I believe there were some boosters and former players who did. I believe they tried to impress upon the AD that this would be good idea.

I believe the Admin and Hart wanted them to back off and let Hart do the job for which he was hired. I believe there was friction.

For the gist. All Hart had to say is, what he said today, 2 weeks ago, I reached out and he and his agent are not interested. They let it fester and I can't explain it.
 
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vol66 said:
babyvol's statement from TOS free:

Posted: Today 8:08 PM




LWS statement from TOS free:

Posted: Today 8:25 PM

Re: LWS - A salute!

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1TNMan wrote: Thank you, sir, for shooting this board straight during the whole process. You were a voice of truth and reason during the Gruden mania and I appreciate it.
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Jon Gruden's agent says coach never had interest in Tennessee job - NCAA Football - Sporting News
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Yea I found that out throughout this, but not just them, people in my personal life. Like I said I think a group of mid levels thought they were Thorntons and Haslams.

I feel very foolish some of the things I bought into that I shared, not sure what else to say. You are one of the posters here I now respect the most tbh.
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This does not surprise me and makes perfect sense...moreso than some convoluted conspiracy theory.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
A lot was laughable, in hindsight most. I think a booster with a connection to Gruden said something to him about the job sometime after the Florida game. They may have even casually discussed it further and discussed money but in no way now do I think it was any more than "conversation" and Hart made a call to put it to rest, or so he thought. To me, that is when the tinfoil hats came out and reality left the conversation completely. I can see before that how it was believable but the conspiracy theory after that day was mind boggling.
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I really appreciate your interpretation here. Makes a lot of sense. The fanbase was so rabid over recent events that they were more than happy to run with the Grumors.
 
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Rizzo924 said:
As the fan of a rival, it's rude to post this - not to mention, without any additional comment by you, it's just stupid - I don't think anyone puts much weight in an agent's public comments given the two stories cited above. I can play that game, too.
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Par for the course for a worshiper of st richt

Rude and stupid is a great combo
 
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orangepaladin said:
That's only going to hurt.

Just hang in there. Hart's going to be gone.
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If I was convinced that Hart was the root cause, I might.

But I was convinced that Hamilton was the root cause, and hung in writing the big checks while he and his scum got washed away. Now it is the same old song, a new future ex coach that has "potential."

I think the source of the problem goes much deeper than the AD and therefore will take much longer to eradicate. I'm not willing to fund the death watch.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I have said it a dozen ties during this coaching search. UT just does not spend top SEC money for it's football coach. We were next to last in the SEC in 2012. I would guess time coaches get their raises going into 2013, we will still be in the bottom 3. Until the admissions deal gets fixed, how much we are willing to spend just does not matter unless you hire a guy making 4 million offering him 7 million.
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What is "admissions deal?" I haven't heard anything about that. Is Tennessee's admission criteria higher or any different than any other SEC school? I assumed that they were all nearly identical with the exception of Vandy. If the Vols are trying to have higher academic standards for players than Miss St. or anyone really, then they are shooting themselves in the foot, in the hand.......AND THE HEAD. I know an East TN high school DL being recruited by Vandy and UT right now. He is really leaning towards Vandy right now because he really likes Franklin and the way he was treated at Vandy. His second reason is a $160,000 education for FREE.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I believe Larry's account is the most plausible. Some boosters may have very well tried to woo Gruden and at least made him think about it. In the end he was never serious and walked away in the early stages of the official search. It's no Hart's fault. It's not Cheek's fault. It's just the reality of the situation.

Now, you can question how Hart conducted the search after that but this fantasy conspiracy theory about Hart going rouge is asinine.
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So if you go by what LWS says, he says he contacted coaches, but that he was also doing it for future NFL positions more so than college? That is is the way I read it. Please read below

NFL Anti-Tampering Policy 7
• Assistant Coaches. These rules govern cases involving assistant coaches:
 Under Contract During Season. During a clubÂ’s playing season, including
postseason if applicable (excluding Pro Bowl), the following actions are
prohibited concerning an assistant coach who is under contract, unless the
involved coach has been dismissed by his club: (1) No assistant coach may
discuss or accept employment for the current or a future season with another
club in the League; (2) no club, directly or through an intermediary, may
request permission to discuss employment with an assistant coach for the
current or a future season; and (3) no employer club may grant another club
permission to discuss employment with one of its assistant coaches for the
current or a future season. This prohibition applies to employment with
another club in any capacity, including head coach, except for the postseason
procedure described in paragraph two below.
 Under Contract After Season. If an assistant coachÂ’s playing season,
including postseason if applicable (excluding Pro Bowl), is over and he is
under contract to his club for the succeeding season or seasons, one of the
provisions below—“Head-Coaching Opportunity” or “Lateral Move”—
whichever is applicable, must be observed:



It just seems odd that Gruden would contact coaches already employed by NFL teams for future employment with the policy above. I don't know maybe it just me.
 
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Read the rest of that bolded sentence. Gruden is not currently in the league.
 
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Vol_Doc said:
Read the rest of that bolded sentence. Gruden is not currently in the league.
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The coaches he was talking to were. But were the positions for NFL or college? If it was college the policy would have no bearing. In the NFL he would would be penalized if were to return, especially the widespread knowledge he did in fact contact several NFL coaches.
 
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Also, here is an interesting article...

Rules pertaining to hiring NFL coaches - Windy City Gridiron

So... either at some point the NFL changed the rule in regards to lateral moves or all the other info I heard and found was false. I also found a good read on nfl.com written by Jason La Canfora, titled; Changing coaching staffs isn't as easy for teams as it once was, the following is from his article;

Unless a coach already under contract is being interviewed for a head coaching job, or a personnel exec is being interviewed for a promotion to general manager that would involve final say on personnel, their existing team can block any meeting. Many out there think that only a lateral move can be blocked. That is not true on the coaching or personnel side.
 
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orangepaladin said:
Nope. The Bammers can flood $6 million to Saban because their athletic department is flush with cash. Even still, if the right NFL offer came along, I still believe he would consider it.

So Grudenites, want to play a role? Increase your skin in the game. Buy more tickets and increase your donor levels. We have to get out of the fiscal hole to have a shot at a premier hire the next time.
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The last part I agree with for everyone. If we don't like where we are it's going to take patience, support, and some luck to get this thing moving again. The rumors of Jones may be as bogus as the rumors of Gruden but the guy was calling the moment he saw DD was fired. Did he get paid more, sure. He asked and got a long term deal with a large buyout. Could we say that's cause he's potentially scared, sure. It also could mean he wants a chance to right the ship and leave a positive mark here. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Why did the the UT AD need to squash message board rumors? By the end of week one of the official search it was put to rest by JGs agent and the media that had access to the UT AD. Hyams said JG was off the table plain as day but no one wanted to hear it. Should they have held a presser with JG just to say it wasnt happeninc? Hart has said he reached out and was told "no thanks". End of story.

It's this idea that it was a done deal all the way up to 2am last night if not for Hart going rogue and hiring CBJ like Woodrow Wilson sneaking the Federal Reserve into law while congress was in recess that is making some, not all, people look crazy.
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In today's market place you manage your brand through social media. These are millionairs and billionairs and they ought to be in tune to that. When one of the most followed fan sites crashes for 3 days there's one hell of an audience. When there is an audience that focused and dedicated you have a chance to sell your plan and your brand. Few schools are doing this and harnessing this but they should be especially when funds are low. As an example whether you despise, love, or just don't care about Obama one of the succesful tools he and others have used is social media to connect and pass his/their message. Hart and the program could easily be doing the same and should be.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
The coaches he was talking to were. But were the positions for NFL or college? If it was college the policy would have no bearing. In the NFL he would would be penalized if were to return, especially the widespread knowledge he did in fact contact several NFL coaches.
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Now, read the whole sentence together. Gruden was not a representative of any entity other than himself. He had not been hired by anyone yet. There is nothing to keep him from gauging interest in potential future endeavors in the policies you posted.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Why did the the UT AD need to squash message board rumors? By the end of week one of the official search it was put to rest by JGs agent and the media that had access to the UT AD. Hyams said JG was off the table plain as day but no one wanted to hear it. Should they have held a presser with JG just to say it wasnt happeninc? Hart has said he reached out and was told "no thanks". End of story.

It's this idea that it was a done deal all the way up to 2am last night if not for Hart going rogue and hiring CBJ like Woodrow Wilson sneaking the Federal Reserve into law while congress was in recess that is making some, not all, people look crazy.
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Not really. Lamonte's denial came on 11/30 well into the official search. Rumors had been flying for weeks. He said Hart called him THAT MORNING and they had what sounds like a brief conversation. If I am Dave Hart the first person I call the day after Dooley is fired is Jon Gruden/Bob Lamonte and make him say no. If Gruden just is not interested, I ask him to make a respectful statement putting these rumors to rest so I can get on with my search without the three ring circus in the media. The fact it did not happen this way and the fact that Hart said he called "early on" and Lamonte said he called on 11/30 tells me there is more than meets the eye. I believe Hart did not want Gruden. I believe Gruden wanted to come. I believe it became heated. I believe at the very end Gruden demanded that he not report to Hart and report directly to Cheek. Boosters and Hart agreed this was not possible. Right after that the Gundy, Strong, Jones train started. Haslam was obviously ok with it. As LWS said at one point if Haslam wanted Gruden it would be Gruden
 
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VandyAlum Vol Fan said:
Any word yet if any of the juniors are staying or declaring for the draft?
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I think you are going to see a majority of those eligible that have draft prospects declare. Not because of this hire, but because they have been through the wringer and are just ready to move on I think. Time to start writing the next chapter imo.
 
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warrior said:
Three signatures were needed to sign a coach and the budget was 18 million.

A Lot of people in Knoxville know the truth.

More than just message board randoms. Realtors, bankers, local school administrators.

A lot.
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Amen. Where did the Gruden thread posters go? This board got boring quick
 
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