Are UNC and UVA the perfect schools for expansion?

#26
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bamawriter said:
1) Not true.

2) A significantly overrated issue when discussing these realignment talks.

I am of the belief that UVA would prefer the Big 10, and I think that preference will be reciprocated if (when) the times comes. But if the ACC starts to look shaky, UVA would't hesitate to join the SEC if that's offer is out there.
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Ill tell you what dip****. I am family friends w 2 members of the board of visitors and I will be on the floor with them this Saturday for the Syracuse game. Ill ask them the question and when they laugh their asses off at the idea I will get a recording of it an email it to you.
 
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VolFaninV said:
Ill tell you what dip****. I am family friends w 2 members of the board of visitors and I will be on the floor with them this Saturday for the Syracuse game. Ill ask them the question and when they laugh their asses off at the idea I will get a recording of it an email it to you.
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Wow. I've had a lot of folks on here flip out at me. But you just did it to the most innocuous post yet.

I see that you don't post often, so I think it would be good for your to chill out a bit. If that post gets to you like that, you are going to have a stroke before too long.
 
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B1G has 12 schools, SEC has 14.

The big ten is adding 2 schools to catch up to other power conferences.

The SEC isn't looking to expand in the near future
 
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I would love UNC and UVA to be in the SEC...UNC would be a great new rival for us...We used to play a lot in the old days and after the MCB robbery I would love to beat them down every year.
 
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fur burglar said:
B1G has 12 schools, SEC has 14.

The big ten is adding 2 schools to catch up to other power conferences.

The SEC isn't looking to expand in the near future
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Could you define "near future"? If you mean within the next 3 years, then I'd agree. If you mean within the next decade, I don't.
 
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All of this conference expansion has already been bad--insane. Don't conference titles lose credibility when you can't play more than half or so of the conference teams in the regular season because the conference is so freakin' big? So then it's a matter of who you are playing every year--i.e., luck. I can't see UVA joining the SEC, or UNC for that matter. They just added Syracuse to the ACC, and Pitt, and Maryland just want to the Big 10 or the B1G or whatever the hell it is. It has all gotten a little stupid, IMO.
 
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I'd take UNC, NC State, or Duke. Then it would take me 20 minutes to get to a game instead of 6 hours. I'll even take Wake Forest, for the mileage again...lol
 
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The states (NC and VA) complete an ideal footprint for the SEC, especially adding the DC market. It would be great for Tennessee. If it happens that way, it's more likely though that VT and NC State would be the two new schools from those states.
 
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I sort of like the idea... Plus it will look good adding those two when it comes to the academic side of things.


I've always wished we could get Fl. State to the SEC one day tho...
 
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I still think the 12-team conference was the best set up. TA&M has been fun to watch and they are possibly a pretty solid addition to the conference, yet I still think they should be in a conference with Texas schools. Mizzou in the East division is so stupid, and that's not because we have lost to them. It just doesn't make sense to me that the most Northwest school in the conference is in the East division.

I don't get why Slive thinks that adding more total revenue to the conference is better for the conference, when the average revenue per school would still be about the same (maybe a little more because of bigger TV contracts). Of course, the reason is that adding more total $ to the SEC equates to adding more $ to Slive's wallet. I think conferences' should strive to get rid of schools rather than try to add more. Have the most exclusive club rather than the biggest. Quality>Quantity. These greedy b@st@rd f%$#s are quite disgusting sometimes (almost all the time actually).
 
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SpiritOfNeyland said:
We have the flagship university for just about every school in the Southeast.

University of Tennessee
University of Georgia
University of South Carolina
University of Florida
University of Alabama
University of Mississippi

Since the University of Louisiana is a non-factor in football, doesn't really matter that we have LSU---regardless, we have the premier flagship university in every state in the Southeast.

Except---the University of Virginia and the University of North Carolina.

I think big picture, these two programs add more than meets the eye. These are two of the top universities in the world....not the United States...not just the Southeast.

It would be a very valuable addition to the quality of our academic profile as a conference to add two schools like Virginia and North Carolina, and they would be schools we all could aspire to be in the SEC academically speaking.(not private like Vandy) Just good ole' fashion state schools that are top in the country.

The B1G is coming a knocking, and they want UVA and UNC.
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Wow, I hope this expansion crap is over. It is already destroying the scheduling in football. Well in basketball too since Tennessee and Kentucky only played once this year what a shame!!!
 
#46
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I agree, this expansion is gonna ruin football. Its gonna force too many conference games and lead to very few, if any, out of conference games. It also dilutes the talent of th entire conference. Many of the kids signing to these schools are doing for a chance to play in the SEC. So instead of spreading the talent among 16 teams, I say we remove 2 and concentrate it into 12. Like someone else said, 12 is the perfect number. Its enough teams to allow divisions and a championship game buts its not too many that the talent is spread too thin.
My vote for the 2 teams to be removed aren't the new ones. No they actually give us a wider footprint and thus more immediate talent to recruit along with the larger tv revenues. My vote for removal is Vandy and Miss St. Both schools share their state with another SEC school so losing them won't affect the footprint or TV markets, neither has won an SEC championship, let alone a national title that actually matters and neither is currently a threat to win their division in the near or distant future. Heck those 2 teams are really only a threat to the recently formal FCS teams that are just joining the FBS ranks.
 
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Expansion is dead for at least the next 8 years because of TV contracts. The ACC member schools have signed their TV rights over to the league in a deal that keeps those rights with the league even if they depart. No conference is taking a team that can't bring the rights to show their own games.

The Big 12 and Big Ten have a similar arrangement. The SEC is the only conference with no grant of rights or exit fee. Any SEC school is free to walk away at any time. Obviously, that isn't happening.

Putting all of that aside, expansion isn't about football as much as it is about TV markets. The SEC wouldn't add a Florida State, Miami or Georgia Tech because the league already owns a share of those markets. They'll be getting the in-market rate from cable companies for the SEC Network in those states.

Similarly, a team like West Virginia makes no sense because they bring less than 800,000 TV homes in their entire state. Missouri got the nod well ahead of them because MO has 10x that number, including the large media markets in St. Louis and Kansas City.

North Carolina would be a new state, but their legislature won't let NC and NCSU split up. Ditto for Virginia and VT. Don't need to take two schools to dominate a state for TV expansion.

Expansion came to a natural stopping place, and it's going to be stalled here for years to come. Everyone got rich on new TV deals, and they won't itch to make moves until those deals are set to expire and that's 8 years away.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Expansion is dead for at least the next 8 years because of TV contracts. The ACC member schools have signed their TV rights over to the league in a deal that keeps those rights with the league even if they depart. No conference is taking a team that can't bring the rights to show their own games.

The Big 12 and Big Ten have a similar arrangement. The SEC is the only conference with no grant of rights or exit fee. Any SEC school is free to walk away at any time. Obviously, that isn't happening.
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Glad I jumped ahead as this is what I was going to add.

Expansion between BCS schools is done for now. If UNC or UVA wanted to move, they have to pay the ACC $50mil and also give the ACC all their media money for the next 6 years. And that doesn't address the fact that neither school would want to leave the ACC for what they consider an academically inferior conference in the SEC.
 
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SpiritOfNeyland said:
That's the problem. It shouldn't be JUST about football.

Why do you think the B1G fans are so all about getting UVA and UNC?

If the B1G is successful in attracting these two schools, it would be a complete lost opportunity.

This isn't just a football conference, and we need to be able to view it through the TOTAL picture.

Some of you may be just college football fans, but I am an alumnus from the University of Tennessee and I have a Masters from another SEC school. I want what is best for the Southeast, our football, our sports, our academics. It's a much broader picture than: "THEM THAR MOUNTAINEERS R GUD AT FOOTBAWRL! LET"S GIT THEM"
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The SEC is an athletics conference. Member schools should absolutely have academics at the top of their priority lists. I have no problem with an athletic conference focusing first and foremost on athletics.
 
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