Are VNers actually planning not to get the vaccine, and if so why not?

[LouderVol]

Ok. I’m definitely of the mind that Covid has been politicized. And there are and have been many questionable actions by our leaders. But Covid is real. And it has very real consequences. I’m not sure what science you are implying doesn’t back up the existence of Covid or the benefits of a vaccine. And as much as I believe in individual freedom and personal choice, the denial of the reality of the disease, it’s consequences and the benefits of vaccination are mind boggling.

I agree it's real. I agree its deadly. My parents had it, and I have an uncle who is in again out again with breathing issues he got from Covid. I am not downplaying it one bit.

The vaccines work or they dont. I personally believe they work, not sure what the side effects will be. Efficacy is not my question.

My questio. Is if the efficacy is high as they say it is, why still require people to distance etc? That science makes no sense. Especially if you add in that they are requiring a vaccine they dont believe in.

If this vaccine came with a 100% back to normal no questions asked from the government, I wouldnt have an issue with it. But apparently they are listening to ever changing "science" that says vaccine is a must, but so are the lockdowns. So yes I take issue with that. And pretty much just that.

Dont take my posts to be anything else.

 

[lawgator1]

Do you think people that have already had COVID should be vaccinated?

This is a very interesting question, but its actually two questions. Question 1 is ought they opt for it, themselves; question 2 is should they.

From what I understand the jury us out on whether you can get the virus again, or get a variant of it even if you have had it. Probably not but there is anecdotal evidence to support that its possible. So, if I had the virus I would still want the vaccine.

But, because I must at least be at lower risk than others, if not ultimately at no risk, I'd probably wait to the end of the line so that people who had not had the virus got the vaccine before me.

 

[LouderVol]

I mean, there is science... but what science there is basically delves into initial efficacy. There’s not going to be anything about long term side effects (if there are any), duration of immunity, optimized dosing, among many other items. That’s the price we pay for expediency.

What we do know is that it will build your immunity to covid-19 for a period of time.

And with all those unknowns governments are making requirements on it, individuals are making moral determinations on it. It's not logical.

It makes no sense to say: do this or you are wrong (morally or legally), even though we dont know what it does.

And I am not being an absolutist. It doesnt need to be 100% safe. But i expect the people making these decisions to work from hard data before making requirements that effect lives and liberty. I dont think that's too much to ask.

Until they provide that data I wont back down and will admit no guilt for refusing it.

 

[volfanhill]

And with all those unknowns governments are making requirements on it, individuals are making moral determinations on it. It's not logical.

It makes no sense to say: do this or you are wrong (morally or legally), even though we dont know what it does.

And I am not being an absolutist. It doesnt need to be 100% safe. But i expect the people making these decisions to work from hard data before making requirements that effect lives and liberty. I dont think that's too much to ask.

Until they provide that data I wont back down and will admit no guilt for refusing it.

The flip side of this, not from a government standpoint but from a Covid one, you don't know what the long term effects of having Covid are either.

 

[newyorkvol]

Do you think people that have already had COVID should be vaccinated?

No. At least not for the first 6 months as that is as long as current studies shown immunity.

 

[LouderVol]

The flip side of this, not from a government standpoint but from a Covid one, you don't know what the long term effects of having Covid are either.

True.

I am betting on them being pretty similar to other viruses.

The difference here is there is literally a global scale confirmation going on here, imo. We are looking at Covid in ways and numbers we have never done for other viruses. So, imo, the numbers seem much worse in comparison than they actually are. And they sell that fear to control people.

 

[newyorkvol]

I agree it's real. I agree its deadly. My parents had it, and I have an uncle who is in again out again with breathing issues he got from Covid. I am not downplaying it one bit.

The vaccines work or they dont. I personally believe they work, not sure what the side effects will be. Efficacy is not my question.

My questio. Is if the efficacy is high as they say it is, why still require people to distance etc? That science makes no sense. Especially if you add in that they are requiring a vaccine they dont believe in.

If this vaccine came with a 100% back to normal no questions asked from the government, I wouldnt have an issue with it. But apparently they are listening to ever changing "science" that says vaccine is a must, but so are the lockdowns. So yes I take issue with that. And pretty much just that.

Dont take my posts to be anything else.

My opinion is that the bolded is paternalism in government. They don’t trust people enough to be truthful with their vaccination status. So until we hit whatever Kentucky-windage level of herd immunity they’ve set (I’m guessing around 70%), we will all continue to mask and social distance and lockdown to whatever degree Governor/dictators decide.

 

[LouderVol]

My opinion is that the bolded is paternalism in government. They don’t trust people enough to be truthful with their vaccination status. So until we hit whatever Kentucky-windage level of herd immunity they’ve set (I’m guessing around 70%), we will all continue to mask and social distance and lockdown to whatever degree Governor/dictators decide.

If they give options I am ok with it. But once they start requiring things, that's when I take exception.

 

[OHvol40]

And with all those unknowns governments are making requirements on it, individuals are making moral determinations on it. It's not logical.

It makes no sense to say: do this or you are wrong (morally or legally), even though we dont know what it does.

And I am not being an absolutist. It doesnt need to be 100% safe. But i expect the people making these decisions to work from hard data before making requirements that effect lives and liberty. I dont think that's too much to ask.

Until they provide that data I wont back down and will admit no guilt for refusing it.

I mean, I don’t disagree entirely, but I haven’t really seen any major government mandates requiring people to get it.

 

[LouderVol]

I mean, I don’t disagree entirely, but I haven’t really seen any major government mandates requiring people to get it.

Again not yet. But once it happens it's too late

 

[OHvol40]

Again not yet. But once it happens it's too late

It’s not something I’ll worry about until it happens here, which I don’t think it will. My family will get vaccinated anyway, so I guess I’m not too worried about it at all in this instance.

 

[BruiserVol]

I had my second dose of Moderna 8 days ago. I’m an emt and was running covid patients nonstop and some were definitely not in good shape with it. When it was offered I took it after debating on it. For me taking it was worth the risk to just say the hell with worrying about it anymore.
First dose is not bad at all. Mild headache for a day and a sore arm. Second dose is another story. Hits you like an absolute truck about 8 hours after taking it. Had a fever, crazy bad chills, body aches from hell and a splitting headache. Body was super weak and going to the bathroom sapped everything I had. Lasted one day then a second day of still having a headache. Ever since I am back to normal like I never took it.

 

[Orangeburst]

I had my second dose of Moderna 8 days ago. I’m an emt and was running covid patients nonstop and some were definitely not in good shape with it. When it was offered I took it after debating on it. For me taking it was worth the risk to just say the hell with worrying about it anymore.
First dose is not bad at all. Mild headache for a day and a sore arm. Second dose is another story. Hits you like an absolute truck about 8 hours after taking it. Had a fever, crazy bad chills, body aches from hell and a splitting headache. Body was super weak and going to the bathroom sapped everything I had. Lasted one day then a second day of still having a headache. Ever since I am back to normal like I never took it.

I wonder if you only get one shot if it provides any benefit.