Are we rejecting 4 star players or are they rejecting us?

#76
#76
Hayezb said:
I highly doubt we are rejecting 4* players.

Dooley knows are program is at an all time low. That means some of the "higher rated" players are going to look elsewhere and Dooley knows this so he is taking the best players that want to come here.

But yes, Dooley should consider himself a better judge of talent than the recruiting "insiders". If they where truly that good, they wouldn't be working for Rivals or Scout they would be on a coaching staff in the SEC.
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:thumbsup:They have gotten rich selling subscriptions to all the star gazers.....who do you think would be a better judge of talent...some guy that writes and gets info from others and from high school coaches, or coaches that actually see them and work them out at camps and who studies film...and knows how. Not too hard to figure out.
 
#77
#77
Offer lists are much much more important then star rating...

There are some ppl who think every 3 star guy we sign is a sleeper but if nobody else offerd especially this late in the recruiting season I become skeptical...

Vincent Dallas, Brian Randolph, Justin Worley, and Kyler Kerbyson are all good players because not only do our coaches think they deserve an offer, but proven good recruiters like UF, Bama, and LSU are offering these kids.

So I dont totally trust the coahces evaluation w/ players like Tino Thomas, and Brendan Downs. But w/ players like them is how coaches gain a reputation.
 
#78
#78
m1al said:
Dooley can't afford to take many chances this cycle. He needs to get everybody in. He has to fill the roster and can't afford 'no shows'.
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This I understand. Our second halves this year have shown our lack of competitive depth. And my guess is UT is a tougher sell now to recruits than at anytime in the last half-century.

In future years, Dooley can't afford the magnitude of the losses he has suffered this year. We lost 113-41 to our three biggest rivals. My concern is this: can he develop the talent he is bringing in now to a level that can consistently challenge the Alabamas and Floridas?

And perhaps I expected more "big-name" recruits from someone whose greatest resume attribute was as recruiting coordinator for Saban. Here's hoping he knows what he is doing.
 
#79
#79
tvols75 said:
Come on LV, you know Mike Farrell is by far a better judge of talent than Dooley, Baggett, Smith, Wilcox, Thompson, etc... :)
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Yea, I'm not sure which one of the guys knows more about football. It's so hard to tell.

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#81
#81
raynochonspeed said:
This I understand. Our second halves this year have shown our lack of competitive depth. And my guess is UT is a tougher sell now to recruits than at anytime in the last half-century.

In future years, Dooley can't afford the magnitude of the losses he has suffered this year. We lost 113-41 to our three biggest rivals. My concern is this: can he develop the talent he is bringing in now to a level that can consistently challenge the Alabamas and Floridas?

And perhaps I expected more "big-name" recruits from someone whose greatest resume attribute was as recruiting coordinator for Saban. Here's hoping he knows what he is doing.
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Can you tell us which recruit you don't agree with.
 
#83
#83
raynochonspeed said:
This I understand. Our second halves this year have shown our lack of competitive depth. And my guess is UT is a tougher sell now to recruits than at anytime in the last half-century.

In future years, Dooley can't afford the magnitude of the losses he has suffered this year. We lost 113-41 to our three biggest rivals. My concern is this: can he develop the talent he is bringing in now to a level that can consistently challenge the Alabamas and Floridas?

And perhaps I expected more "big-name" recruits from someone whose greatest resume attribute was as recruiting coordinator for Saban. Here's hoping he knows what he is doing.
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Totally agree.. Couldn't have said it any better... In the words of the great Tom Petty.. "The waiting is the hardest part.."
 
#86
#86
Not to add fuel to the flames, but also keep in mind that this coaching staff has had 10 months now to build relationships with these big recruits that other programs have had developed now for 2 years. That's why I see us finishing with stronger names and in turn having a 'faster' start to the 2012 recruiting cycle.
 
#87
#87
raynochonspeed said:
Absolutely nothing - other than a typical example of the illogicality pervasive on this board.

An exception does not disprove a "general" rule. In general, 5* players have a greater predicted chance of success than 2* players.

All intangibles (injuries, schedule, coaching, et al.) being relatively equal, a roster with a high number of 4- and 5* players stands a better chance of success than a roster filled with 2* guys.

Boise State and Utah are exceptions, as their coaches are semi-proven commodities coaching in weak leagues. Dooley is not proven.
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Fixed.
 
#88
#88
m1al said:
I think we pull a few myself.. I'm more concerned about what the staff does with them once they are here..
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I think this won't be as bad as everyone thinks. I think this coaching staff has essentially been "herding cats" with all the youth, inexperience, walk-ons, and injuries they've worked with this year. Ultimately the buck stops at the coaches when anything looks bad, and I believe next year we'll see a huge difference with the on-the-field product.
 
#89
#89
SLOBBER_KNOCKER_U said:
You cant rate this class or any class for that matter til a few years from now. Worrying about final class rankings is no different than star gazing. Who's to say a top 15 class is indeed a top 15 class ,when they haven't even played yet? They could end up being a #5 class on the field or a #60 class on the field. We wont know until a few more years
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I agree with you 100 percent about seeing how the class produces two or three years down. But I would take my chances on a top ten class over a class out of the top 25 any year.
 
#90
#90
UTMVol76 said:
I think this won't be as bad as everyone thinks. I think this coaching staff has essentially been "herding cats" with all the youth, inexperience, walk-ons, and injuries they've worked with this year. Ultimately the buck stops at the coaches when anything looks bad, and I believe next year we'll see a huge difference with the on-the-field product.
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Herding cats? :eek:lol: Never heard that one... Too funny..
 
#91
#91
i disagree with blanket assumptions like"no one on here is a coach or has coached at this level" because you never know. i agree that we are better off with players who want to wear the orange not players who are infatuated with a flashy coach. its too early to tell if dooley is the right man and its too early to tell if he is not.
 
#93
#93
rsm said:
i disagree with blanket assumptions like"no one on here is a coach or has coached at this level" because you never know. i agree that we are better off with players who want to wear the orange not players who are infatuated with a flashy coach. its too early to tell if dooley is the right man and its too early to tell if he is not.
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I agree, we need to give him time to implement his plan, and it won't be overnight. There's a reason coaches weren't jumping at this job opening in January. In a few years if it's not working, his successor will have a much better base than he inherited. I for one hope he's a success. He seems like a good man, and I would like to see people like that succeed.
 
#95
#95
WesternKyVol said:
Sorry for the stupidity, man. I just have never kept up with recruiting that closely. I realize that it is the lifeblood of the program, I just never have gotten into the ratings etc. I've always just waited to see what our class is ranked and who the standouts are supposed to be. I know that usually we have several 4 star players in each class and I was beginning to wonder if that was gonna happen this year.

I realize it's tough when you're 2-6. That being said, everyone says we're 2-6 because of a lack of talent, which I agree with. I just don't want the situation to perpetuate.
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If you were stupid you wouldn't be oh this board, would you? O.k. maybe that was the wrong question.
Anyway, if you'r a Vol fan you can't be stupid, right?
O.k., maybe, oh, hell...moving on.
GO VOLS!
 
#96
#96
WesternKyVol said:
For those of you in the know,

Is Dooley going after the best recruits and getting rejected? Or is he just settling for 3 star recruits becasue he thinks it's the best we can do? Or does he consider himself to be a better judge of talent than the recruiting "insiders"?

I do realize that every class on the best teams are always made up of alot of 3-star players and I am by no means saying that 3-star players don't make outstanding football players OR that any of our players don't deserve scholarships. I am only saying that it seems like as a whole our class is low on 4 star players.

Thanks for all knowledge.
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Seems your in need! :crazy:
 
#97
#97
I think he's just offering schollies to anyone who is interested. Why waste time evaluating talent when VN can do it for him?
 
#98
#98
Stars are only a judgment of a individuals Opinion. How can you justify a 3 star is not a 4 star to a different eye?
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#99
#99
thebiglowboski said:
Stars are only a judgment of a individuals Opinion. How can you justify a 3 star is not a 4 star to a different eye?
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Good post, and you can't justify the difference because it is all about perception. Ill take the opinion of our coaches over any writer.
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