Arizona Election Audit

[BowlBrother85]

Because none of them are dem plants. Even if all four companies were proven to be absolutely unbiased, it wouldn't be good enough because they wouldn't be biased for the dems.

At least in terms of the audit taking place in Arizona... we will never know if this is true, because they are not all "proven to be absolutely unbiased". It is way too easy to accuse "Cyber Ninjas Inc." of partisanship, and that really does taint the whole operation. They should not be a part of this, if the goal is to reassure the American people that this was a fair election with valid results. It is amazing that some of you will argue that point.

 

[NCFisher]

You called them marxists which is a buzz word used without meaning by the Trump cult on this site when referring to the left.

If you can watch the speeches by Donnie Jr and Sr. and tell me they were not firing up the crowd and then sending them to the Capitol knowing full well it was not going to be a pretty scene, I'd say you're willfully blind. Couple that with Trump's lack of response to the precarious situation is also telling. As is his first public response three hours after it all began with the tweet of "Go home. We love you. You're very special."

Several hours later... "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"

So, yes he bears some culpability though it may not rise to the level of criminality.

I called the BLM and Antifa rioters Marxists because they are literally Marxist-based; it's not a random slur.

We know a small group of perhaps 35 have been charged with conspiracy, people that planned violence; this was not an impromptu raid on the capitol but people who planned violence.

So far, the only criticism you've had that I consider valid is his response to the melee. But even then, you present an edited and incomplete representation; perhaps you're willfully blind.

The message you reference wasn't the first public response to the peaceful demonstrators but his fourth. The first was at 2:38pm “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!” and next at 3:13pm “I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!” and the next at 4:17pm.
“You have to go home.”
"There’s never been a time like this when such a thing happened when they could take it away from all of us.”
“Go home. We love you. You’re very special,” he said.

It was the period between the 2nd and 3rd message that the capitol breach occurred. The message you reference was around 6:00pm after the crowd dispersed.
So, how did you get it that wrong?

I belong to the Objective cult that concerns itself with facts; what your cult?

I'd like to know if you expressed similar outrage for months as Democrat leaders not only sat on their hands at violence just like this all summer (and continued even today), outrage that Biden didn't speak out AT ALL on it for three months, and then some oblique mumbling about violence generally. Outrage about the blatant sanctioning of the rioting and its continuance into the future by VP Harris. There's plenty more but that'll be an indicator of your intellectual consistency.

 

[NCFisher]

If this was true, then the company known as "Cyber Ninjas Inc." wouldn't be among those conducting the audit. Their owner, Doug Logan, has a conflict of interest (in his relationship with 2020 Trump Campaign Attorney, Sidney Powell. Logan has posted provably false allegations against Dominion Voting Systems on her website. These include allegations for which Powell is now being sued for.) and he has publicly expressed a conclusive determination that the election was rigged before the audit even began, while also expressing an interest in the outcome itself. Cyber Ninjas Inc. has no experience auditing an election of any kind... but they are qualified to conduct an audit into the results of a presidential election? They are really going to reassure a lot of people aren't they? Sure thing, buddy.

Yes, yes; we're all painfully aware of your objections to Logan's company and it's still of no importance. If DJT himself conducted the audit and found prominent fraud that 'experts' had to agree was valid, it wouldn't make the fraud any less factual, would it? The origin of facts doesn't change them. It doesn't matter that Cyber Ninja - one of four companies performing the audit - offends your senses.

You had your run - and are still on the tired treadmill - of Russia collusion. So you can sit back and suck it up now, while this audit is performed.

 

[AM64]

At least in terms of the audit taking place in Arizona... we will never know if this is true, because they are not all "proven to be absolutely unbiased". It is way too easy to accuse "Cyber Ninjas Inc." of partisanship, and that really does taint the whole operation. They should not be a part of this, if the goal is to reassure the American people that this was a fair election with valid results. It is amazing that some of you will argue that point.

Does it taint the whole operation? I spent many years testing and analyzing data, and there were times along the way in a few instances where I thought I knew what the problem would turn out to be. However, I still didn't do anything to influence the testing and analysis; the results said what they said in the end. Nobody is completely unbiased; but if you do the analysis the correct way, then personal feelings don't influence the result. When there are other participants, it's unlikely that they wouldn't raise a flag if Cyber Ninjas was cheating. Personally, it offends me that every day people do a bit of research, determine the "likely" suspect, and set out to prove it - that's as bad as consensus science - which isn't science at all. In fact, it's what passes as searching for truth in courtrooms every day.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Does it taint the whole operation? I spent many years testing and analyzing data, and there were times along the way in a few instances where I thought I knew what the problem would turn out to be. However, I still didn't do anything to influence the testing and analysis; the results said what they said in the end. Nobody is completely unbiased; but if you do the analysis the correct way, then personal feelings don't influence the result. When there are other participants, it's unlikely that they wouldn't raise a flag if Cyber Ninjas was cheating. Personally, it offends me that every day people do a bit of research, determine the "likely" suspect, and set out to prove it - that's as bad as consensus science - which isn't science at all. In fact, it's what passes as searching for truth in courtrooms every day.

The purpose of this particular audit must completely be about driving public opinion, because the results of the audit will not change the outcome of the 2020 Presidential election, or for that matter, even change that Arizona's 11 electoral college votes went to Joe Biden. In this case, public perception is everything. So, the presence of an openly biased contributor does taint the whole operation. It is too easy to portray Cyber Ninjas as being biased, and therefore this audit will not change anyone's mind. People who believe the election was rigged against Trump, will still believe it... and people who believe that the results were valid, will still believe that. It's a waste of time.

 

[VolinWayne]

So let's get this straight. Dominion, A PRIVATE COMPANY, had more control over the election then the county supervisors. No American citizen should be ok with this

 

[VolinWayne]

 

[VolinWayne]

For those of you saying this is the 3rd audit, the previous audits only looked at 2% of the audits.that is not a real audit

 

[VolinWayne]

So why does the county not have all of the adminsitrative passwords??

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

So let's get this straight. Dominion, A PRIVATE COMPANY, had more control over the election then the county supervisors. No American citizen should be ok with this

and foreign owned no less with overseas servers.

 

[OHvol40]

and foreign owned no less with overseas servers.

Maybe the president could publicly ask Russia for assistance in hacking them to find out what’s going on.

 

[InVOLuntary]

The biggest thing that stands out to me is if the Dems have nothing to hide why are they fighting to and nail to stop the audit? What are they afraid of?

 

[utvolpj]

The biggest thing that stands out to me is if the Dems have nothing to hide why are they fighting to and nail to stop the audit? What are they afraid of?

How many audits are needed before enough is enough? 3? 10?

They'll always claim that any cutoff was only done to hide the truth. They were so very close on audit 7 only to be thwarted by the evil deep state

 

[InVOLuntary]

How many audits are needed before enough is enough? 3? 10?

They'll always claim that any cutoff was only done to hide the truth. They were so very close on audit 7 only to be thwarted by the evil deep state

Why not let them have their fun if there is nothing to hide? Then sit back and laugh at them. If there's nothing to hide why fight it so vehemently? Why is the DOJ trying to overstep?

Warranted or not it looks suspicious.

 

[hUTch2002]

The difference is that is has been shown there was a massive campaign of misinformation. Not so much on the voter fraud.

And what was the 4 year assault on Trump? It was one lie after another. There’s even a Time magazine article about the cabal that took him down. I assure you that constant onslaught from MSM, big tech, and others had way more impact than Russian Facebook ads. It’s one thing to campaign for a candidate but that’s not what they did. They came together to manipulate and suppress information with a goal of ousting Trump. Now that is election interference and they even bragged about it but nothing will ever come of it. People will keep lapping up the lies of CNN and people like Jack Dorsey will continue to decide what we can and can’t see while enjoying immunity.

 

[utvolpj]

Why not let them have their fun if there is nothing to hide? Then sit back and laugh at them. If there's nothing to hide why fight it so vehemently? Why is the DOJ trying to overstep?

Warranted or not it looks suspicious.

Because eventually unnecessary stupid needs to be called out. Not to mention it's a waste of resources. We now have loony conspiracy theorists getting a group called the cyber ninjas into the mix. It's amazing people still buy this mess

Trump was a moron and lost. Investigation over

 

[hUTch2002]

Massive? 400k is massive while both campaign spent more than a billion? I dont think Russia was even the biggest foreign spender on our election.

Based on this Foreign Lobbyists Contributed More Than $4.5 Million to Candidates in 2016 Elections the Russian spending on facebook wouldnt even be a 10th of the money foreign money spent.

I bet the Russian dossier cost more than 400K.

 

[hUTch2002]

I just think there was a miniscule and insignificant amount of voter fraud, but I think a large part of the population is gullible and easily manipulated.

CNN agrees.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

And what was the 4 year assault on Trump? It was one lie after another. There’s even a Time magazine article about the cabal that took him down. I assure you that constant onslaught from MSM, big tech, and others had way more impact than Russian Facebook ads. It’s one thing to campaign for a candidate but that’s not what they did. They came together to manipulate and suppress information with a goal of ousting Trump. Now that is election interference and they even bragged about it but nothing will ever come of it. People will keep lapping up the lies of CNN and people like Jack Dorsey will continue to decide what we can and can’t see while enjoying immunity.

Trump brought a lot of his problems on himself. The constant barrage of lies and insults he tweeted caused his own demise. If he had stayed off twitter and acted like an adult, he would have won a second term.

 

[RikidyBones]

Are you suggesting the Constitution doesn't say this? Maybe we're not reading the same document? Do the Dems have a King Roosevelt Edition or something?

A king Roosevelt lol

 

[VolinWayne]

and foreign owned no less with overseas servers.

Yes exactly. I don't see how anybody in their right mind does not have a problem with that. And to think that anybody with the capabilities can do what Matt Dinero has discovered in Antrim County.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Because eventually unnecessary stupid needs to be called out. Not to mention it's a waste of resources. We now have loony conspiracy theorists getting a group called the cyber ninjas into the mix. It's amazing people still buy this mess

Trump was a moron and lost. Investigation over

And by the dems fighting it every step it only give fuel to the conspiracies.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Because eventually unnecessary stupid needs to be called out. Not to mention it's a waste of resources. We now have loony conspiracy theorists getting a group called the cyber ninjas into the mix. It's amazing people still buy this mess

Trump was a moron and lost. Investigation over

Actually, the Maricopa county election investigation continues despite all the leftist commie’s efforts to stop it.

 

[utvolpj]

And by the dems fighting it every step it only give fuel to the conspiracies.

So we waste resources for eternity to placate a bunch of red hatters? Again, when is it enough?

 

[InVOLuntary]

So we waste resources for eternity to placate a bunch of red hatters? Again, when is it enough?

I was always taught if you ignore inappropriate behavior it would diminish it's significance. The DOJ showing up trying to stop does quite the opposite. What resources of yours are they wasting?