Arizona Election Audit

[KB5252]

If nothing else we are learning some interesting facts about the system of buying we have. And some legitimate questions that at least on the surface need some thought and possibly addressing. It's interesting at the very least. The new transparent this all is the better.

 

[utvolpj]

I was always taught if you ignore inappropriate behavior it would diminish it's significance. The DOJ showing up trying to stop does quite the opposite. What resources of yours are they wasting?

This has to be administered and supervised by people with the election committee. Tax dollars and time being wasted but I guess if we ignore it that doesn't count

 

[NCFisher]

Does it taint the whole operation? I spent many years testing and analyzing data, and there were times along the way in a few instances where I thought I knew what the problem would turn out to be. However, I still didn't do anything to influence the testing and analysis; the results said what they said in the end. Nobody is completely unbiased; but if you do the analysis the correct way, then personal feelings don't influence the result. When there are other participants, it's unlikely that they wouldn't raise a flag if Cyber Ninjas was cheating. Personally, it offends me that every day people do a bit of research, determine the "likely" suspect, and set out to prove it - that's as bad as consensus science - which isn't science at all. In fact, it's what passes as searching for truth in courtrooms every day.

Exactly; science cannot be a democratic mob vote. If a thousand data sets say a thing is true, but one lone data set says it cannot be, that data set has to be disproven; it can't simply be ignored. This is the problem with the rioting mobs; if they aren't stopping us and we're not being prosecuted, we must have moral or ethical footing to continue violence.

If Trump audited the election himself and found substantial fraud, then it's on opponents to disprove it since facts don't have an owner.

 

[InVOLuntary]

This has to be administered and supervised by people with the election committee. Tax dollars and time being wasted but I guess if we ignore it that doesn't count

So we throw more government resource and tax dollars trying to stop it? In my experience you spend way more resources trying to fight something rather than just letting it occur.

Curious, did you pitch a fit and complain of wasted tax dollars during the Russian scam? What about the Kavenaugh frame job?

 

[NCFisher]

Maybe the president could publicly ask Russia for assistance in hacking them to find out what’s going on.

Yeah, without sarcasm this time and actually mean it. Like the Russian intel and government officials Steele, also a foreign agent, said were the dirt providers in his dossier.

 

[utvolpj]

So we throw more government resource and tax dollars trying to stop it? In my experience you spend way more resources trying to fight something rather than just letting it occur.

Curious, did you pitch a fit and complain of wasted tax dollars during the Russian scam? What about the Kavenaugh frame job?

Yes I did. Kavanaugh was getting a hearing anyways so it's unlikely it moved the needle much.

If they had multiple hearing on kavanaugh that lasted months after he was confirmed would your response be "just ignore them?"

 

[NCFisher]

And what was the 4 year assault on Trump? It was one lie after another. There’s even a Time magazine article about the cabal that took him down. I assure you that constant onslaught from MSM, big tech, and others had way more impact than Russian Facebook ads. It’s one thing to campaign for a candidate but that’s not what they did. They came together to manipulate and suppress information with a goal of ousting Trump. Now that is election interference and they even bragged about it but nothing will ever come of it. People will keep lapping up the lies of CNN and people like Jack Dorsey will continue to decide what we can and can’t see while enjoying immunity.

Apparently, corporate America running our political process is no longer a concern since Democrats are the party of big business.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Yes I did. Kavanaugh was getting a hearing anyways so it's unlikely it moved the needle much.

If they had multiple hearing on kavanaugh that lasted months after he was confirmed would your response be "just ignore them?"

Sure it would have been. My children are grown now but when they were little I found if I gave them attention when they pitched a fit that only encouraged them as that was what they were looking for. I look at politics the same way. My biggest complaint would have been the 24/7 coverage of the liberal media, which I've since completely stopped watching. I watch zero TV news any more.

 

[utvolpj]

Sure it would have been. My children are grown now but when they were little I found if I gave them attention when they pitched a fit that only encouraged them as that was what they were looking for. I look at politics the same way. My biggest complaint would have been the 24/7 coverage of the liberal media, which I've since completely stopped watching. I watch zero TV news any more.

That's a lie and you know it. If govt resources were being wasted on months of hearings about him you would have said something. It's why you even brought up the original one

 

[NCFisher]

This has to be administered and supervised by people with the election committee. Tax dollars and time being wasted but I guess if we ignore it that doesn't count

It's been widely reported the audit is privately funded, so one less objection.

 

[utvolpj]

It's been widely reported the audit is privately funded, so one less objection.

pretty much impossible

All the buildings are being operated on private funds? All the people needed to move or secure the ballots are being paid by private funds?

 

[NCFisher]

Trump brought a lot of his problems on himself. The constant barrage of lies and insults he tweeted caused his own demise. If he had stayed off twitter and acted like an adult, he would have won a second term.

Trump did not frame himself into baseless FBI and special counsel investigations whose basis were in actuality Russian propaganda paid for by the opposition candidate.
And there was a 100-year pandemic.

 

[tnmarktx]

pretty much impossible

All the buildings are being operated on private funds? All the people needed to move or secure the ballots are being paid by private funds?

Doesn't really matter how it's funded, the AZ state legislatures run their elections and they have the right to audit and investigate how they see fit. The people of AZ elect their officials, if they disapprove of what their elected officials are doing they can vote them out. People outside of AZ whining about an audit in that state is inconsequential.

 

[NCFisher]

pretty much impossible

All the buildings are being operated on private funds? All the people needed to move or secure the ballots are being paid by private funds?

'Impossible' is just you speculating. You don't know if the county is being compensated for those things, right?

 

[utvolpj]

Trump did not frame himself into baseless FBI and special counsel investigations whose basis were in actuality Russian propaganda paid for by the opposition candidate.
And there was a 100-year pandemic.

He made enemies on purpose and they fought back like he wanted

He exhibited no real leadership qualities during the pandemic. It should have been an easy win but he botched it

 

[utvolpj]

'Impossible' is just you speculating. You don't know if the county is being compensated for those things, right?

You make the claim

 

[tnmarktx]

He made enemies on purpose and they fought back like he wanted

He exhibited no real leadership qualities during the pandemic. It should have been an easy win but he botched it

Should have said in your opinion.

 

[utvolpj]

Should have said in your opinion.

It should be the opinion of anyone paying attention

 

[tnmarktx]

It should be the opinion of anyone paying attention

Again, your opinion. Should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[NCFisher]

You make the claim

What does that mean?

 

[utvolpj]

What does that mean?

You made the claim it was privately funded. That is either proven or just you speculating

 

[NCFisher]

He made enemies on purpose and they fought back like he wanted

He exhibited no real leadership qualities during the pandemic. It should have been an easy win but he botched it

He made enemies by being elected and the die was cast.

He gave Biden essentially the exact plan the Biden admin is using today. Therefore, Biden is doing "nothing". Except claiming credit for what Trump did.
You are aware governors are responsible for their states' response? That the federal government cannot force any actions upon them regarding the pandemic?

 

[InVOLuntary]

That's a lie and you know it. If govt resources were being wasted on months of hearings about him you would have said something. It's why you even brought up the original one

Glad you know what my reaction would have been. Man you need to share that crystal ball with me so I can cash in on some stocks or maybe the lottery.

I really don't care what they do in Arizona. It doesn't affect me at all. You seem to be butt hurt over it so go ahead pitch your fit. All I'm saying is my confidence in the integrity of our elections are eroding with each election. When that happens to enough people, the results won't be pretty.

 

[hUTch2002]

They should be run by people who declare fraud absolutely occurred before even seeing a ballot? That's the same logic used to justify CRT

No more than it should be run by people who declare fraud absolutely didn’t occur. And there’s the rub. No one wants the truth and they’ve all already formulated an opinion one way or the other.

 

[utvolpj]

He made enemies by being elected and the die was cast.

He gave Biden essentially the exact plan the Biden admin is using today. Therefore, Biden is doing "nothing". Except claiming credit for what Trump did.
You are aware governors are responsible for their states' response? That the federal government cannot force any actions upon them regarding the pandemic?

The pandemic today is much different than it was a year ago. The response would need to be much different as well

I've never stated the fed govt should force anything on states. In fact I've consistently stated the opposite. Trump is the one who made Fauci the face of the US pandemic response. It was a time for guidance and leadership and he chose to let others handle it. That's not a leader