Arizona Election Audit

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hUTch2002 said:
Whatever you think you’re getting over I assure you, you aren’t. It’s not a waste of time and resources no matter the finding UNLESS some idiot screws it up to the point we have to do it all over again. I don’t agree with the outcome but that is the process so tough sh1t for Chauvin. Now if he has a legal means by which to overturn it then that is his right.
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Both investigations were initiated based on evidence of a crime, both found more evidence of crimes but came up short on the mens rea element (in your opinion re: Floyd). Yet one is so clearly justified in your mind that you get evasive, pissy, and defensive over the suggestion that you think it wasn’t justified.

So, what makes the difference? Much less what makes it “absurd” to compare the two? The only big difference is the magnitude of the effect of the crime.

So do you think cheating in an election just isn’t worth investigating, even when there is evidence? That’s a pretty hard sell in this thread. Pretty sure 99% of the forum has disagreed with that at one time or another over the past 4 years.
 
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BreatheUT said:
No, it's because Beijing Biden is a historically bad dumb as a rock POTUS candidate - a multi loser that spans 4 decades. A well documented plagarizer. You know it. I know it. We all know it. It's made worse by a clueless af VP chosen due to identity politics.
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Running down Biden and Harris, only serves to emphasize what a poor incumbent candidate for president Donald Trump was. The election was a referendum on him, and suburban housewives went with a hard pass.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
I can’t stand Rs or Ds. So I don’t care who gave money to who. Nor do I give 2 craps about any of their opinions.

But you love this country so much so you say. Yet you seem to have no idea how it is being destroyed. If you don’t want to cure your craniorectal inversion then there is no help for you.
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Whatever is wrong with this country, it wasn't going to be solved by re-electing a man as flawed as Donald Trump.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Whatever is wrong with this country, it wasn't going to be solved by re-electing a man as flawed as Donald Trump.
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Was that said. No.

The abandonment of the Constitution and rule of law is what is wrong with the country.

Since you have so much love for the country maybe look to leaders that desire to return to the values that created this great nation.
 
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Using the same "If there is nothing to hide..." logic:

Why are monitors of this audit being forced to sign nondisclosure agreements? You said this was a thorough and transparent process.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Using the same "If there is nothing to hide..." logic:

Why are monitors of this audit being forced to sign nondisclosure agreements? You said this was a thorough and transparent process.
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Maybe they don’t want any news escaping until they’re ready to release their findings....
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Whatever is wrong with this country, it wasn't going to be solved by re-electing a man as flawed as Donald Trump.
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He had a good start on major repairs, in spite of massive resistance. Liberals keep jumping to their own conclusions on things like Ferguson, Russia-Russia-Russia, Ukraine and haven't been right yet. That makes me believe they are probably wrong about the validity of the election...but I'll wait on the results of several investigations.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Why are dems pushing so hard to stop this audit?
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Its has been explained countless times within the last few pages alone. You just refuse to acknowledge it. Ciber Ninjas is not a professional, unbiased company. Anything they "find" cannot be taken seriously because they claimed fraud before it even started. There are plenty of Republicans who agree, its not just democrats.
 
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LouderVol said:
Uh the riots before the trial werent enough for you?

The border? Who the czar hasnt even acknowledged.

Prices of just about everything up.

Still no Covid plan or metric (no change from trump)

Just about everywhere Trump avoided international conflicts has had the Hornets nest kicked under Bidens watch.

Pushing back the pullout of Afghansitan for clearly a political ploy.

Another couple trillion out the door in the first 100 days.

Dude doesnt even know if he is allowed to take questions, and is on a shorter leash than the one Trump should have been on.
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"Prices of just about everything up". Yeah they've been rising for a couple of years because Trump couldn't negotiate an international trade deal. I appreciate initiating the increase, but his negotiating tactics were elementary
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Its has been explained countless times within the last few pages alone. You just refuse to acknowledge it. Ciber Ninjas is not a professional, unbiased company. Anything they "find" cannot be taken seriously because they claimed fraud before it even started. There are plenty of Republicans who agree, its not just democrats.
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So what? There are no such things as a pure professional unbiased company. Again you democratic idiots just don’t want anyone sniffing around. Like it’s been said, nothing is gonna be found. And even if it was found, nothing could be done about it.

Since you say anything they found cannot be taken seriously. Wouldn’t anything they supposedly found be examined with a fine tooth comb?

So it was cool to claim Russian collusion before an investigation. But now it’s a problem? You and your parties hypocrisy grows by the day.
 
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KentheOrange said:
He had a good start on major repairs, in spite of massive resistance. Liberals keep jumping to their own conclusions on things like Ferguson, Russia-Russia-Russia, Ukraine and haven't been right yet. That makes me believe they are probably wrong about the validity of the election...but I'll wait on the results of several investigations.
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Aside from catering to the far right base, Trump accomplished nothing. His "achievements" were mostly just actions brought about by way of executive orders, which were easily reversed once Biden took office.

It is clear Trump withheld aid to the Ukraine for the purpose of prompting their president to publicly announce an investigation into the Bidens. That constitutes an abuse of power. There is proof that the 2016 Trump campaign worked in conjunction with Russian intelligence to smear Hillary Clinton (per the recent revelation from the United States Treasury Department that Rick Gates passed polling data and sensitive campaign information along to Konstantin Kilimnik, who in turn, gave this data to Russian intelligence). That constitutes collusion.

As far as the validity of the election? You are strongly suggesting that the investigations and recounts which have already been conducted have been purely partisan exercises and that is a lie. None other than Attorney General William Barr - who was subservient to Donald Trump while AG, has conducted an investigation from within the Department of Justice and concluded that there was no evidence of fraud uncovered, significant enough to have altered the outcome of the 2020 Presidential Election. Not to mention the fact that Georgia's Secretary of State, is also a Republican, who made the same conclusion. Then you have the numerous Trump-appointed judges who rejected claims made by attorneys for the 2020 Trump Campaign in court. The 2020 Trump Campaign was given ample opportunity to provide evidence of fraud in court, but instead, they wouldn't even allege fraud whenever there could be consequences for their law licenses, if they were caught making false allegations against innocent third parties. So, basically, I disagree with you.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Why are dems pushing so hard to stop this audit?
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I have seen nothing which shows that democrats are "pushing hard to stop the audit". Democrats have every right to shine light on the obvious prejudice of Doug Logan, who is the owner of the firm contracted to conduct the audit, and that is what they are doing. I have yet to get an explanation that makes any sense, for why the monitors of this audit are being required to sign nondisclosure agreements. That is not the way to arrive at transparency.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
"Prices of just about everything up". Yeah they've been rising for a couple of years because Trump couldn't negotiate an international trade deal. I appreciate initiating the increase, but his negotiating tactics were elementary
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You have no clue what's happening right now. I am a huge take a crap on Trump person. You are way off the mark here. Even though he did add to this problem. Prices on everything are going up. What the hell did you think would happen with all this stimulus?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Both investigations were initiated based on evidence of a crime, both found more evidence of crimes but came up short on the mens rea element (in your opinion re: Floyd). Yet one is so clearly justified in your mind that you get evasive, pissy, and defensive over the suggestion that you think it wasn’t justified.

So, what makes the difference? Much less what makes it “absurd” to compare the two? The only big difference is the magnitude of the effect of the crime.

So do you think cheating in an election just isn’t worth investigating, even when there is evidence? That’s a pretty hard sell in this thread. Pretty sure 99% of the forum has disagreed with that at one time or another over the past 4 years.
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Except the only “proof” the Mueller team relied upon was the dossier they knew was false. Try again counselor.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
No, but it would’ve been less worse than what Biden is doing to it.
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Whether or not anyone agrees with this, depends entirely upon their political leanings. However, it sure didn't look like our failing infrastructure was ever going to be addressed under Trump. It needed to be addressed 25 years ago.
 
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