Arizona Election Audit

[BowlBrother85]

Russia ♾

It's strange how this ^^^^ is supposed to serve as an all-purpose rebuttal now.

I can easily make a better case that members of the 2016 Trump Campaign, specifically Campaign Manager Paul Manafort and his top aide Rick Gates, engaged in coordinated efforts with Russian agents to smear Hillary Clinton (with the recent revelation from the U.S. Treasury Department that Gates passed campaign polling data and sensitive campaign information to Konstantin Kilimnik, who then passed it along to Russian intelligence) than can be made that systemic fraud changed the outcome of the 2020 Presidential Election.

 

[RikidyBones]

Once again, you look like the idiot for including a political party and its members among a "group of people" who could be the victims of "bigotry". You are also very inconsistent in this application... unless you are willing to apply that same standard to basically everyone who works on Fox News, and most of the conservatives who post to this forum. It is just plain dumb. Nobody considers a wholesale attack against a political party to be the same degree of malicious prejudice as an attack against people who comprise either a race or a religion.

Lol what an argument. "I'm not a bigot because I don't think you apply the definition equally and my bigotry could be worse but it's not."

 

[BowlBrother85]

Lol what an argument. "I'm not a bigot because I don't think you apply the definition equally and my bigotry could be worse but it's not."

I'm not a bigot... just because you say so. You are the only idiot I have ever seen who applies such a term to insults directed at members of a political persuasion, rather than a race, religion or ethnicity. Such insults as I have used them in this forum are very common among today's political discourse, and I have even been on the receiving end of them myself on this very forum... but I never stooped so low as to call someone a "bigot" because of it. That is just stupid.

 

[RikidyBones]

I'm not a bigot... just because you say so. You are the only idiot I have ever seen who applies such a term to insults directed at members of a political persuasion, rather than a race, religion or ethnicity. Such insults as I have used them in this forum are very common among today's political discourse, and I have even been on the receiving end of them myself on this very forum... but I never stooped so low as to call someone a "bigot" because of it. That is just stupid.

Ok

 

[BowlBrother85]

Ok

What a jackass.

 

[RikidyBones]

What a jackass.

You don't like being called a bigot yet try to justify calling a cop, nurse, doctor, engineer, business owner, etc that you have never even conversed with "the uneducated, the unsophisticated, the unintelligent, the inarticulate and the unenlightened members of society. They represent the gullible, the willfully ignorant, the irrational, and the illogical."

bUt YeR a JaKaZz 88

 

[Weezer]

It's strange how this ^^^^ is supposed to serve as an all-purpose rebuttal now.

I can easily make a better case that members of the 2016 Trump Campaign, specifically Campaign Manager Paul Manafort and his top aide Rick Gates, engaged in coordinated efforts with Russian agents to smear Hillary Clinton (with the recent revelation from the U.S. Treasury Department that Gates passed campaign polling data and sensitive campaign information to Konstantin Kilimnik, who then passed it along to Russian intelligence) than can be made that systemic fraud changed the outcome of the 2020 Presidential Election.

It's also clear that Hillary Clinton helped fund the unconfirmed dossier that was taken at face value in an attempt to smear her opponent, Donald Trump. I'm of the opinion both sides engaged in questionable tactics. Politically, what did the whole Russia investigation get us? Trump was not impeached for it. He was never removed from office. It didn't effect his popularity. Until the pandemic, it was pretty much a sure thing he was gonna be reelected because of the economy. None of the political tactics employed by the left had their intended effect. It took a global pandemic to derail Trump.

 

[Weezer]

Who decides what is reasonable or unreasonable? You? You don't come across as an objective arbiter. I do not consider my beliefs unreasonable based on my observations... and I have committed no acts of prejudicial discrimination or antagonism against Republicans. I simply don't like them. You will find many posts on VolNation expressing similar sentiments against Democrats. Are you going to refer to those posters as "bigots" as well? Doubtful. You are partisan.

It's a shame you don't see how hating someone because of their politics is absolutely stupid. And yes, it's true both ways. It's like choosing to be an idiot. You don't have to agree with everything someone else thinks or believes to get along. This type of partisan thinking is what's bringing this country down.

 

[BowlBrother85]

It's also clear that Hillary Clinton helped fund the unconfirmed dossier that was taken at face value in an attempt to smear her opponent, Donald Trump.

This has nothing to do with what the United States Treasury Department concluded in their recent announcement of further sanctions against Russia and Konstantin Kolimnik for meddling in the 2016 Presidential Election.

Until the pandemic, it was pretty much a sure thing he was gonna be reelected because of the economy.

This is pure conjecture on your part, and at the very least, it is also highly debatable. Joe Biden was leading Donald Trump in head to head polls well before the first diagnosed case of the coronavirus in the United States.

None of the political tactics employed by the left had their intended effect. It took a global pandemic to derail Trump.

It's not evident from this post what "political tactics" you are referring to. The impeachment proceedings were not carried out with the objective of damaging Donald Trump politically. They were about holding Trump accountable for actions which should not be allowed to become established precedent for future administrations to follow. Trump abused the power of his office by withholding aid to the Ukraine in effort to persuade their president to announce an investigation into the Bidens, and Donald Trump was at least partially to blame for the January 6th incursion of the United States Capitol. The rally in front of the White House that day was organized under the falsehood that Donald Trump could still retain power if Mike Pence cast aside electoral college votes in selected states that the Trump Campaign had been contesting. In reality, Pence had no such authority to unilaterally reject votes from electors who had been lawfully chosen.

... and the only thing it took to derail Trump, was Trump's own boorish and unprofessional behavior.

 

[Weezer]

This has nothing to do with what the United States Treasury Department concluded in their recent announcement of further sanctions against Russia and Konstantin Kolimnik for meddling in the 2016 Presidential Election.


This is pure conjecture on your part, and at the very least, it is also highly debatable. Joe Biden was leading Donald Trump in head to head polls well before the first diagnosed case of the coronavirus in the United States.


It's not evident from this post what "political tactics" you are referring to. The impeachment proceedings were not carried out with the objective of damaging Donald Trump politically. They were about holding Trump accountable for actions which should not be allowed to become established precedent for future administrations to follow. Trump abused the power of his office by withholding aid to the Ukraine in effort to persuade their president to announce an investigation into the Bidens, and Donald Trump was at least partially to blame for the January 6th incursion of the United States Capitol. The rally in front of the White House that day was organized under the falsehood that Donald Trump could still retain power if Mike Pence cast aside electoral college votes in selected states that the Trump Campaign had been contesting. In reality, Pence had no such authority to unilaterally reject votes from electors who had been lawfully chosen.

... and the only thing it took to derail Trump, was Trump's own boorish and unprofessional behavior.

Bull ****. They were absolutely political tactics. Neither side seems to care about holding themselves accountable, just "the other side". That's politics. You should lie to yourself less often.

 

[southgatevol]

This has nothing to do with what the United States Treasury Department concluded in their recent announcement of further sanctions against Russia and Konstantin Kolimnik for meddling in the 2016 Presidential Election.


This is pure conjecture on your part, and at the very least, it is also highly debatable. Joe Biden was leading Donald Trump in head to head polls well before the first diagnosed case of the coronavirus in the United States.


It's not evident from this post what "political tactics" you are referring to. The impeachment proceedings were not carried out with the objective of damaging Donald Trump politically. They were about holding Trump accountable for actions which should not be allowed to become established precedent for future administrations to follow. Trump abused the power of his office by withholding aid to the Ukraine in effort to persuade their president to announce an investigation into the Bidens, and Donald Trump was at least partially to blame for the January 6th incursion of the United States Capitol. The rally in front of the White House that day was organized under the falsehood that Donald Trump could still retain power if Mike Pence cast aside electoral college votes in selected states that the Trump Campaign had been contesting. In reality, Pence had no such authority to unilaterally reject votes from electors who had been lawfully chosen.

... and the only thing it took to derail Trump, was Trump's own boorish and unprofessional behavior.

Not defending Trump but if you believe the impeachment was about anything other than political damage you are either blind, ignorant, or just downright stupid.

 

[NCFisher]

Republicans are the party of conspiracy theorists, Trump sycophants and extremist militants. They are the kooks who can't explain a consistent or coherent ideology involving policy. They simply support anything which has to do with Trump... which is bizarre, in the aftermath of his resounding defeat. They make up the uneducated, the unsophisticated, the unintelligent, the inarticulate and the unenlightened members of society. They represent the gullible, the willfully ignorant, the irrational, and the illogical.

Then you're unquestionably qualified to join the GOP ranks; congrats, buddy!

 

[NCFisher]

Trump said it himself: "I love the poorly educated"

And yet, the poor uneducated voted disproportionately for Clinton, and appears to have voted for Biden by a 10-12 point advantage. Republican voters across income spectrum typically have higher incomes.
The days of Democrats claiming to represent the 'working man/woman' are ending, as they openly embrace the corporatism they've always been duplicitous about.

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

Republicans are the party of conspiracy theorists, Trump sycophants and extremist militants. They are the kooks who can't explain a consistent or coherent ideology involving policy. They simply support anything which has to do with Trump... which is bizarre, in the aftermath of his resounding defeat. They make up the uneducated, the unsophisticated, the unintelligent, the inarticulate and the unenlightened members of society. They represent the gullible, the willfully ignorant, the irrational, and the illogical.

You are full of sh!t ! You post like Donald Trump personally snuck up behind you, pulled your little pink panties down and dry docked that vag of yours. Your posts while completely ignorant, do however bring a good laugh, there is humor in that much hatred and stupidity.

 

[NCFisher]

I freely admit that I am a partisan liberal Democrat... and while my characterization of today's Republican Party may be somewhat unfair and oversimplified, it doesn't rise to the level of bigotry.

Whew...you'll never get a lunch invite from me.
I don't want to feed both your mouths.

 

[NCFisher]

Wrong. She is being canceled because she voted to impeach Trump. It was a very clear vote on allegiance

She's being removed from a position of party leadership because she represents the RINO ideology that has ceded one institution after another to the left for decades. She thinks Repubs can go back to preening their genteel feathers and polishing wingtips while the left wages a knife-fight under the table. Her brand, her daddy's brand, of Republican is finished. It is a change for the better and we have Trump to thank for that.

If you don't understand now, you never will.

 

[Tastylicks]

And yet, the poor uneducated voted disproportionately for Clinton, and appears to have voted for Biden by a 10-12 point advantage. Republican voters across income spectrum typically have higher incomes.
The days of Democrats claiming to represent the 'working man/woman' are ending, as they openly embrace the corporatism they've always been duplicitous about.

that's wrong...60% of Trump's voters were non-college whites. Uneducated voters were trump's base.

If you were a door to door salesperson, you could just go to all the houses with trump signs in their yards, clearly they were suckers and easily conned.

I will agree though, democrats need to do better with the working class.

 

[NCFisher]

It's strange how this ^^^^ is supposed to serve as an all-purpose rebuttal now.

I can easily make a better case that members of the 2016 Trump Campaign, specifically Campaign Manager Paul Manafort and his top aide Rick Gates, engaged in coordinated efforts with Russian agents to smear Hillary Clinton (with the recent revelation from the U.S. Treasury Department that Gates passed campaign polling data and sensitive campaign information to Konstantin Kilimnik, who then passed it along to Russian intelligence) than can be made that systemic fraud changed the outcome of the 2020 Presidential Election.

Actually, without explaining WHY Gates shared that data - and what utility Russians might have for it - you can't make that case.

Further complicating your attempt is that Kilimnik and Manafort were trusted sources, advisors, and facilitators for the Obama regime re: matters of Russia and Ukraine. If they were a potential vector point of foreign influence, how come neither campaign or admin received a defensive briefing from FBI? That is, if the 'experts' in such things didn't see a red flag, why should Trump or his campaign? Is it a crime to disseminate such information? I don't think so and apparently neither does Treasury.

To have a valid accusation of collusion, you need intent to commit a crime. You're lacking both a crime and intent, and those were the fatal flaws in CF Hurricane and Mueller probe.

 

[southgatevol]

that's wrong...60% of Trump's voters were non-college whites. Uneducated voters were trump's base.

If you were a door to door salesperson, you could just go to all the houses with trump signs in their yards, clearly they were suckers and easily conned.

I will agree though, democrats need to do better with the working class.

If a noncollege educated white makes 6 figures and has never paid a dime on student loans, are they more or less intelligent than an unemployed college grad who has paid 6 figures for their education? Does education beget intelligence? Is intelligence reliant on education?

 

[NCFisher]

that's wrong...60% of Trump's voters were non-college whites. Uneducated voters were trump's base.

If you were a door to door salesperson, you could just go to all the houses with trump signs in their yards, clearly they were suckers and easily conned.

I will agree though, democrats need to do better with the working class.

No, that's actually true; it isn't disputed that Joe and Hillary won the under $50K votes and Trump won all brackets above that in 2016. in 2020, Dem. Joe again won the <$50K and did better winning the <$100K, while Trump won everything bracket >$100K.

Trump won less affluent regions, but regions and counties don't vote; people do. More affluent voted for Trump. And you should stop confusing lack of a college degree synonymous with 'uneducated', especially when they out-earn and pay their own way, in contrast to degreed under-performers.

If you were half as smart you think yourself, maybe you qualify as a door-door salesman.

 

[Tastylicks]

If a noncollege educated white makes 6 figures and has never paid a dime on student loans, are they more or less intelligent than an unemployed college grad who has paid 6 figures for their education? Does education beget intelligence? Is intelligence reliant on education?

Try to follow along. The discussion was on Trump's statement 'I love the poorly educated' so we were discussing education levels.

Intelligence / student loan payment/ etc. is a different topic. Clearly if they voted for Trump, they are NOT intelligent regardless of their education level or income level.

You'd have to be an idiot to think a reality TV star would be a good president

 

[BowlBrother85]

And yet, the poor uneducated voted disproportionately for Clinton, and appears to have voted for Biden by a 10-12 point advantage. Republican voters across income spectrum typically have higher incomes.
The days of Democrats claiming to represent the 'working man/woman' are ending, as they openly embrace the corporatism they've always been duplicitous about.

This isn't true.

Per Statista.com:

According to exit polling in the 2020 Presidential Election in the United States, 55% of surveyed college graduate voters reported voting for former Vice President Joe Biden, while 49% of voters without a college degree reported voting for incumbent President Donald Trump.

College Graduate

Joe Biden 55%
Donald Trump 42%

No College Degree

Joe Biden 49%
Donald Trump 49%

* Donald Trump's largest demographic is comprised of white men without a college degree, who are over 40.

 

[Orangeburst]

that's wrong...60% of Trump's voters were non-college whites. Uneducated voters were trump's base.

If you were a door to door salesperson, you could just go to all the houses with trump signs in their yards, clearly they were suckers and easily conned.

I will agree though, democrats need to do better with the working class.

What a dumb ass statistic. Only 32% of Americans are college educated so by your metric 40% that voted for Trump beats the collective average

 

[southgatevol]

Try to follow along. The discussion was on Trump's statement 'I love the poorly educated' so we were discussing education levels.

Intelligence / student loan payment/ etc. is a different topic. Clearly if they voted for Trump, they are NOT intelligent regardless of their education level or income level.

You'd have to be an idiot to think a reality TV star would be a good president

I'm following fine but thanks for your concern. If Trump voters were idiots what does that make Biden voters? He has been in Washington almost 50 years and accomplished next to nothing, he has dementia, and is as creepy as Trump. Trump was an unknown as far as politics. Biden was a known idiot. I think that makes you more of a fool than Trump voters. Do you follow or could it be your education is failing you?

 

[davethevol]

If a noncollege educated white makes 6 figures and has never paid a dime on student loans, are they more or less intelligent than an unemployed college grad who has paid 6 figures for their education? Does education beget intelligence? Is intelligence reliant on education?

I’ve worked for 2 CEO’s that haven’t completed 4 years of college. One is filthy rich.