Arizona Election Audit

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Septic said:
I keep waiting for breaking news that the smoking gun has been presented in court that shows definitively that there was massive, widespread fraud and collusion to cover it up.

I'm starting to think I should have packed a lunch.
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You'll get it right after the ACA replacement and the infrastructure plan we were promised two years ago.
 
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hog88 said:
Is there anyone that could deliver an unbiased audit?
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The Republicans in the Arizona State Legislature could have found someone who hadn't already publicly concluded that there was "massive fraud", as Doug Logan of Cyber Ninjas did... and done so on the website of a 2020 Trump Campaign Attorney, Sidney Powell.

Those Arizona Republican legislators didn't want someone who was unbiased conducting their "audit". That de-legitimizes these efforts.
 
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LouderVol said:
Clearly unbiased and professional making personal attacks based on names.

Not sure why anyone believes these guys could deliver an unbiased audit.
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If they prove that fraudulent votes were counted does it really matter what an auditors opinion is. Fraud is fraud no matter the opinion of the person conducting the audit. Its pretty childish to dismiss the results of an audit before the results are even released simply because you think the auditor had an opinion one way or the other.

What's your opinion on mail-in-ballots having a fold in them. Do you see any reason for mail-in-ballots not to have a fold in them? Do you see any reason for mail-in-ballots to be filled out with a machine?
 
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VolinWayne said:
If they prove that fraudulent votes were counted does it really matter what an auditors opinion is. Fraud is fraud no matter the opinion of the person conducting the audit. Its pretty childish to dismiss the results of an audit before the results are even released simply because you think the auditor had an opinion one way or the other.

What's your opinion on mail-in-ballots having a fold in them. Do you see any reason for mail-in-ballots not to have a fold in them? Do you see any reason for mail-in-ballots to be filled out with a machine?
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It's pretty unprofessional for an auditor to publicly reach a conclusion of "massive fraud" before their audit even began. That doesn't seem to bother you, however. We don't just "think the auditor had an opinion", we know he did. Doug Logan put his opinion on Sidney Powell's website along with various other theories regarding Dominion Voting Systems, for which she is now being sued for.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The Republicans in the Arizona State Legislature could have found someone who hadn't already publicly concluded that there was "massive fraud", as Doug Logan of Cyber Ninjas did... and done so on the website of a 2020 Trump Campaign Attorney, Sidney Powell.

Those Arizona Republican legislators didn't want someone who was unbiased conducting their "audit". That de-legitimizes these efforts.
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Swing and a miss.

The correct answer is "no". There is no one that could deliver an unbiased audit of this election. Anyone hired by the Rs would be portrayed as biased by the dems regardless if that was true or not and visa-versa with the Ds. Nobody on earth could deliver an unbiased audit.
 
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hog88 said:
Swing and a miss.

The correct answer is "no". There is no one that could deliver an unbiased audit of this election. Anyone hired by the Rs would be portrayed as biased by the dems regardless if that was true or not and visa-versa with the Ds. Nobody on earth could deliver an unbiased audit.
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Like I said... they could have done better than Doug Logan and Cyber Ninjas. The one firm you don't hire is the one who has already reached a conclusion - while also publicly expressing a rooting interest - on top of being close to Sidney Powell, an attorney who worked on behalf of the Trump Campaign.

Sorry.. but there is no miss to that. If this exercise was legitimate, someone other than Cyber Ninjas would be conducting it. It's a brainless thing for you to ever argue... but of course, you and the peanut gallery will do just that.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Like I said... they could have done better than Doug Logan and Cyber Ninjas. The one firm you don't hire is the one who has already reached a conclusion - while also publicly expressing a rooting interest - on top of being close to Sidney Powell, an attorney who worked on behalf of the Trump Campaign.

Sorry.. but there is no miss to that. If this exercise was legitimate, someone other than Cyber Ninjas would be conducting it. It's a brainless thing for you to ever argue... but of course, you and the peanut gallery will do just that.
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It doesn't ****ing matter who they hired, why is this so hard for you to understand? This isn't a search for the truth, this "audit" is to keep the pot stirred, the base fired up and the donations rolling in.
 
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hog88 said:
It doesn't ****ing matter who they hired, why is this so hard for you to understand? This isn't a search for the truth, this "audit" is to keep the pot stirred, the base fired up and the donations rolling in.
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I have been saying the same things. I would also add that it will be used to justify further voting restriction legislation. Your buddy, @VolinWayne sees it differently though.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's pretty unprofessional for an auditor to publicly reach a conclusion of "massive fraud" before their audit even began. That doesn't seem to bother you, however. We don't just "think the auditor had an opinion", we know he did. Doug Logan put his opinion on Sidney Powell's website along with various other theories regarding Dominion Voting Systems, for which she is now being sued for.
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What's your opinion on mail-in-ballots and folds? Or did you purposely not comment on that?
 
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VolinWayne said:
If they prove that fraudulent votes were counted does it really matter what an auditors opinion is. Fraud is fraud no matter the opinion of the person conducting the audit. Its pretty childish to dismiss the results of an audit before the results are even released simply because you think the auditor had an opinion one way or the other.

What's your opinion on mail-in-ballots having a fold in them. Do you see any reason for mail-in-ballots not to have a fold in them? Do you see any reason for mail-in-ballots to be filled out with a machine?
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Its more childish to get an audit from a group that already announced there was fraud before they even began. Wouldnt you agree? I dont think its unreasonable to expect an auditor that hasnt expressed their conclusions before they begin.

Also there is a distinction between bad votes and fraud. Right now the argument that their is fraud is based on a compilation of issues in multiple states. Not any one state.

Unless you know how the ballots were mailed, idk if the state requires a standard envelope, it's impossible to say if they should be folded or not. There are envelopes out there large enough not to need folding. You can also fold without creasing. A crease may be indicative of a mail in ballot, but it's certainly not required. Or enough to prove fraud in a court of law. Imo. I am not up to date on Arizona voting laws, so maybe they require creased mail in ballots.
 
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VolinWayne said:
It's not a grift or some conspiracy theory. Fraud happened and it is being exposed and Arizona will be the first domino to fall.

Did you know that in a tiny town called Windham New Hampshire a Democrat candidate lost by a razor thin margin and demanded a hand recount. After completing the hand recount they discovered that each one of the Republican candidates got shorted approximately 300 points. This sparked a lot of curiosity and the entire town demanded a forensic audit. There was a huge uproar and fight between the people of Windham and the board of electors on who would perform the audit. The people demanded they use Jovan Pulitzer bit the county refused. After doing a forensic audit they discovered a few machines shorted Republicans every time.

BREAKING: New Hampshire Audit Confirms Voting Machines Results Unreliable


A judge in GA has ordered a hand recount of all absentee ballots in Fulton County GA

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I simply don't trust the government. This is concerning.
 
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LouderVol said:
Its more childish to get an audit from a group that already announced there was fraud before they even began. Wouldnt you agree? I dont think its unreasonable to expect an auditor that hasnt expressed their conclusions before they begin.

Also there is a distinction between bad votes and fraud. Right now the argument that their is fraud is based on a compilation of issues in multiple states. Not any one state.

Unless you know how the ballots were mailed, idk if the state requires a standard envelope, it's impossible to say if they should be folded or not. There are envelopes out there large enough not to need folding. You can also fold without creasing. A crease may be indicative of a mail in ballot, but it's certainly not required. Or enough to prove fraud in a court of law. Imo. I am not up to date on Arizona voting laws, so maybe they require creased mail in ballots.
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All mail-in-ballots are mailed in a specific envelope. They don't just mail them to you in some random envelope. It is physically impossible to get your mail-in-ballots into the envelope without folding it in some type of way. This isn't rocket science
 
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