Arizona Pastor Arrested, Jailed for Holding Bible Study in Home

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#127
I don't care for zoning laws, and this seems excessive, but....

It's not very "Christian" of him to busy up the neighborhood, especially if people were complaining.

He got tax exempt status by calling it a church, and 50 people were showing for services, but he claims it was only for family and friends....but a PI got right in, no questions asked....you can't have it both ways.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
So if you spend $300k on your property and your neighbor builds a dump effectively devaluing your property from $300k to less than $50k (because no one will want to buy the property next to the dump unless they too wish to build a dump) is that ok?
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People don't build dumps on expensive land unless they are stupid. You want to build a dump on the cheapest land you can possibly find.
 
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#129
Bible studies are held in all cities at people's homes. Obviously, there are extenuating circumstances here. It's not like they raided his home to stop Bible verses from being read.
 
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n_huffhines said:
People don't build dumps on expensive land unless they are stupid. You want to build a dump on the cheapest land you can possibly find.
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It was obviously an exaggeration. The point is that what your neighbors do can adversely affect the value of your property and vice versa.

From a personal standpoint I agree that people should be able to do what they want on their own property as long as it does not infringe upon those around them. First coarse of action should be to inform the neighbor that their actions are interfering with your space. If the neighbor is stubborn and continues doing X then there needs to be some sort of legal recourse they can take.

In this particular case, the guy wants to build a church in an area that is not zoned for it. He should have thought about that first and bought a price of land that is zoned for it. He is in the wrong but it has zero to do with preaching the gospel.
 
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therealUT said:
Build a fence; a high-wall; buy the property next to yours so that your neighbor will not build a dump, there. Your property rights pertain only to your property, not to your neighbor's property.

Why not exclude your neighbor from grilling or using a barbecue smoker because the smoke makes its way into your house and you enjoy having your windows open? Why not exclude your neighbor from enjoying a pipe in his backyard for the same reason? Or, exclude your neighbor from playing music, because you want to keep the windows open and read in your study? Exclude your neighbor from playing basketball, because, again, the sound keeps your from focusing on reading?

There are things you can do on your own property to fortify yourself against whatever it is you find bothersome; if you do not want to do these things, you can always retaliate by making your own noises, smells, or smoke, or you can move.

You are not entitled to dictate what someone else does with their property; you are only entitled to dictate what you do with your own property.
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I agree with this. I live on the fringe of the city and there was talk of my road being annexed into the city limits. My neighbor was however nice enough to let us know that he was planning on building two chicken houses on his property. He done so and the talk died away lol.

Side Note: We very rarely smell the chicken houses and they do not bother us at all maybe it has made our property depreciate but it is land that has been in our family for generations. Im sure my grand father would have rather seen a chicken house than it being in a city limit.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
It was obviously an exaggeration. The point is that what your neighbors do can adversely affect the value of your property and vice versa.

From a personal standpoint I agree that people should be able to do what they want on their own property as long as it does not infringe upon those around them. First coarse of action should be to inform the neighbor that their actions are interfering with your space. If the neighbor is stubborn and continues doing X then there needs to be some sort of legal recourse they can take.

In this particular case, the guy wants to build a church in an area that is not zoned for it. He should have thought about that first and bought a price of land that is zoned for it. He is in the wrong but it has zero to do with preaching the gospel.
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Hmmm....this is too broad. Just got back from the boardwalk at Pacific Beach in SD area, and the coffee shop we went to has been banned from selling wine because old curmudgeons felt it was an "infringement", and protested. The Barista said that only one person living within a 500 foot radius had complained.

In a struggling economy, maybe we can learn something from Houston, a city that has some of the most lax zoning laws in the country.

When you buy property you are taking a gamble. You may have neighbors that improve your property's value (and you don't pay them for the benefit), and you may have neighbors that devalue your property (and they don't pay you for the cost). That's life.
 
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The issue isn't as simple as property rights versus neighbors.

The guy ignored repeated code enforcement measured for 7 years. When it came TP a head, he shows up with church members to protest. He's got a series of YouTube videos on how Christians should act, politically.

If you don't understand that this guy knew what was going on, intentionally kept it up so as to antagonize the city and make himself some sort of hero past the 20 miscreants that already pay his bills with their tithes, then you are full metal retard.

Christians, more than anyone else, should be pissed at the guy. He gives us a bad name, promoting himself on the name of JC.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The issue isn't as simple as property rights versus neighbors.

The guy ignored repeated code enforcement measured for 7 years. When it came TP a head, he shows up with church members to protest. He's got a series of YouTube videos on how Christians should act, politically.

If you don't understand that this guy knew what was going on, intentionally kept it up so as to antagonize the city and make himself some sort of hero past the 20 miscreants that already pay his bills with their tithes, then you are full metal retard.

Christians, more than anyone else, should be pissed at the guy. He gives us a bad name, promoting himself on the name of JC.
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Us, seriously?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The issue isn't as simple as property rights versus neighbors.

The guy ignored repeated code enforcement measured for 7 years. When it came TP a head, he shows up with church members to protest. He's got a series of YouTube videos on how Christians should act, politically.

If you don't understand that this guy knew what was going on, intentionally kept it up so as to antagonize the city and make himself some sort of hero past the 20 miscreants that already pay his bills with their tithes, then you are full metal retard.

Christians, more than anyone else, should be pissed at the guy. He gives us a bad name, promoting himself on the name of JC.
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It's been trending that way for quite some time...

Confidence in organized religion hits all-time low in Gallup poll - U.S. News

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OrangeEmpire said:
Churches quit serving the unsaved in their communities and became inclusive. Almost to the point of being a social club.
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There is a tremendous amount of truth in your statement.
The majority of churches are more worried about pleasing their congregation than serving God.
 
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Gramps said:
There is a tremendous amount of truth in your statement.
The majority of churches are more worried about pleasing their congregation than serving God.
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Churches didnt adapt to the social change started in the 50 and culminating in the 60s.

The church has never recovered.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Churches didnt adapt to the social change started in the 50 and culminating in the 60s.

The church has never recovered.
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I agree with what you have said. Churches are more of a social get together now with the focus of raising money.

I stopped going a few years ago when our pastor decided to "hip" things up. He is a great preacher and I loved his sermons, now it's 45 minutes of singing, rock band and bs and 15 minutes of good preaching. But the congregation has grown.
 
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hog88 said:
I agree with what you have said. Churches are more of a social get together now with the focus of raising money.

I stopped going a few years ago when our pastor decided to "hip" things up. He is a great preacher and I loved his sermons, now it's 45 minutes of singing, rock band and bs and 15 minutes of good preaching. But the congregation has grown.
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Huge trend to have the focus of church service to be praise.

The 22 minute attention span is popular in seminary.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Huge trend to have the focus of church service to be praise.

The 22 minute attention span is popular in seminary.
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I know, that is why it's not for me anymore. I will not walk into one of these palaces called churches, I will not listen to a band, and I will not sing (or listen) more than 3 songs during a service.

Just an old crumudgeon..
 
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Too many churches are too busy patting themselves on the back for being such great Christians to actually go serve others.
 
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