Arizona Pastor Arrested, Jailed for Holding Bible Study in Home

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lawgator1 said:
If I buy all the lots around you and open up all night amusement parks that tower over your property, that okay with you?
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No, it is not okay. I would be pissed. Would I see to it that you were jailed or coerced to change your plans? No; then again, I hate tyrants and despots. You, apparently, do not.
 
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YorkVol said:
The more I read and watch on this, I'm going to agree with LG.
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And TrUT...

Yeah, I know, seems contradictory. However, I agree with TrUT in principle, private property should be able to be used for whatever purpose the owner wants. But that is not the world we currently live in and I think the pastor tried to circumvent the decisions by changing the name of the structure.
 
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therealUT said:
Dumb. The bottom line is that is is Salman's property and the state should protect his property rights, which entails him doing whatever he pleases with his property. If others feel as though it is a hazard to have x amount of individuals in a building with no fire exits marked, then they should opt not to go to the bible-study.

Private property: it is really just property of the state that the state apparently allows individuals use, but only if they followed certain dictates from the assembly.
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yes,you own property but its still not yours.if it was why would a person have to pay taxes on property he already owns?if you don't pay,it can be siezed and sold for taxes owed.
 
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I wonder if the neighborhood has a homeowners association? I know a lot of neighborhoods that have by-laws that you have to agree to before purchasing property in that area.
 
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govolsfraz said:
I wonder if the neighborhood has a homeowners association? I know a lot of neighborhoods that have by-laws that you have to agree to before purchasing property in that area.
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From experience of being in one, I would bet that it would have been the first thing that came up and we would have heard about it.
 
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govolsfraz said:
I wonder if the neighborhood has a homeowners association? I know a lot of neighborhoods that have by-laws that you have to agree to before purchasing property in that area.
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this may be the problem.if you buy prperty that have bylaws already in place and you agree to the terms.then he really new beforehand that this would be a problem.
 
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I don't see the city getting involved in that situation. The HOA would probably have to take him to court.

This sounds like it is definitely a violation of the city zoning ordinances.
 
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#83
I agree to an extent...lets call property tax what it really is, rent.

But do you not agree that the neighbors should have some recourse available to them?
 
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rjd970 said:
I agree to an extent...lets call property tax what it really is, rent.

But do you not agree that the neighbors should have some recourse available to them?
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They have plenty of recourse available. First, they can always talk to their neighbor to inform the neighbor of the inconvenience/annoyance. Second, they can try to buy-out the neighbor. Third, with regard to LG's ridiculous scenario, they can attempt to undercut the neighbor (say a guy buys up half the lots of the neighborhood so that he can put an amusement park in; the half of the neighbors that are left might go to the amusement park developer and offer a lower price for their land with the guarantee that the developer will not purchase the land from the ******* neighbor, thus they at least get money for their move). Fourth, they can boycott and while remaining on their own property make it unbearable for the neighbor (tell the neighbor that if he builds the church, they will buy concert quality speakers, move them as close to the property line as possible, and blast Megadeath during the church ceremony).

The problem is that the neighbors would rather just have someone else (the law) do the dirty work; but the manner in which the law does it is actually in trampling the rights of their neighbor.
 
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if he's allowed to build a building thats a certain size,then he should be allowed to use it as he wants.like someone said earlier,if he says that the people there are friends.is there a certain amount of friends that a person can have on his property at any time as long as they are not disturbing his neighbors?
 
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loggervol said:
if he's allowed to build a building thats a certain size,then he should be allowed to use it as he wants.like someone said earlier,if he says that the people there are friends.is there a certain amount of friends that a person can have on his property at any time as long as they are not disturbing his neighbors?
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According to Trut, it doesn't matter if he is disturbing the neighbors, it is his property. I find that silly.
 
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therealUT said:
Dumb. The bottom line is that is is Salman's property and the state should protect his property rights, which entails him doing whatever he pleases with his property. If others feel as though it is a hazard to have x amount of individuals in a building with no fire exits marked, then they should opt not to go to the bible-study.

Private property: it is really just property of the state that the state apparently allows individuals use, but only if they followed certain dictates from the assembly.
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I take it you have never owned a house?
 
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it sounds as though his neighbors don't agree with what he's doing.i didn't see where he was disturbing the peace.
 
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therealUT said:
1. I have.

2. $30,000/kg, since you were obviously curious.
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Just curious.

Zoning laws are to protect your property rights. I wouldn't want my nieghbor to build a dump next door which would restrict my ability to use my property due to smell or vectors.

Can they be intrusive, of course that is why you need to do your research before buying to make sure the property fits your needs.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I guess this pastor doesn't read Romans 13:1-2
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he would probably reply with,that we don't wrestle with flesh and blood,but with principalities and powers,and against rulers of darkness of this world.
 
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hog88 said:
Just curious.

Zoning laws are to protect your property rights. I wouldn't want my nieghbor to build a dump next door which would restrict my ability to use my property due to smell or vectors.

Can they be intrusive, of course that is why you need to do your research before buying to make sure the property fits your needs.
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Build a fence; a high-wall; buy the property next to yours so that your neighbor will not build a dump, there. Your property rights pertain only to your property, not to your neighbor's property.

Why not exclude your neighbor from grilling or using a barbecue smoker because the smoke makes its way into your house and you enjoy having your windows open? Why not exclude your neighbor from enjoying a pipe in his backyard for the same reason? Or, exclude your neighbor from playing music, because you want to keep the windows open and read in your study? Exclude your neighbor from playing basketball, because, again, the sound keeps your from focusing on reading?

There are things you can do on your own property to fortify yourself against whatever it is you find bothersome; if you do not want to do these things, you can always retaliate by making your own noises, smells, or smoke, or you can move.

You are not entitled to dictate what someone else does with their property; you are only entitled to dictate what you do with your own property.
 
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therealUT said:
Build a fence; a high-wall; buy the property next to yours so that your neighbor will not build a dump, there. Your property rights pertain only to your property, not to your neighbor's property.

Why not exclude your neighbor from grilling or using a barbecue smoker because the smoke makes its way into your house and you enjoy having your windows open? Why not exclude your neighbor from enjoying a pipe in his backyard for the same reason? Or, exclude your neighbor from playing music, because you want to keep the windows open and read in your study? Exclude your neighbor from playing basketball, because, again, the sound keeps your from focusing on reading?

There are things you can do on your own property to fortify yourself against whatever it is you find bothersome; if you do not want to do these things, you can always retaliate by making your own noises, smells, or smoke, or you can move.

You are not entitled to dictate what someone else does with their property; you are only entitled to dictate what you do with your own property.
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Can't buy the whole world! There has to be boundries and rules dictating what can be done, built ext.
 
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