Armando Gallaraga robbed of Perfect game

#51
#51
Just found out that Jim is supposed to be the ump behind home plate tomorrow, I would be worried if I was him.
 
#52
#52
Any way this can be overturned? I mean I know that may be a little far, but he freaking deserves to have a perfect game on his record.
 
#54
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Hound said:
They should just leave it to the booth official to decide when it's necessary, like they do in the NHL.
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The NHL is the only league that gets replay absolutely right. Every single goal is reviewed, directly by the league office, by a team that sits in a bunker in NHL HQ in Toronto in a room full of big screen TVs. It's so seamless that 98 percent of the time the fans in the arena don't even realize that every goal is being reviewed.

I don't get why this is so hard for sports to get right. You have a guy sitting upstairs (or even in the league office) in front of a big screen TV. The crew chief wears a pager. If the guy upstairs sees something that needs to be reviewed, he buzzes the crew chief. He's got 60 seconds to make a decision. (If it needs to take longer than that, you go with the ruling on the field.) You have either no challenge system or a minimal one -- one per game at max, because the onus is still on a ref in front of a TV to decide when a challange is warranted. This is basically what the Big 10 had when it introduced to replay to college football, and they had it right. The problem comes when TV networks decide that they get to treat reviews as extra commercials, and then it takes longer, and it sucks. But this should be basic stuff. Anything that takes longer than 30-60 seconds shouldn't be reviewed anyway.
 
#55
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tvolsfan said:
Any way this can be overturned? I mean I know that may be a little far, but he freaking deserves to have a perfect game on his record.
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There is no existing structure within MLB to overturn this. It basically comes down to whether the commissioner position means anything or not. If it were anything other than the 27th out in the game, then sure, but come on. The game was over and everybody knows it. Selig needs to fix this tomorrow.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
There is no existing structure within MLB to overturn this. It basically comes down to whether the commissioner position means anything or not. If it were anything other than the 27th out in the game, then sure, but come on. The game was over and everybody knows it. Selig needs to fix this tomorrow.
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The only thing is, what if the call is obvious and the other team ends up winning?

I still agree it should be overturned. It was an awful call, the umpire admitted it, and no one is hurt except the batter may lose a point off his batting average. Worth it to give the guy the perfect game he deserves.

On the other hand, why is this so easy now? 3 in a year with another no-hitter? Do we need more steroids?
 
#57
#57
I don't even understand why you make that call, if it's close you give the guy his perfect game.
 
#58
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tvolsfan said:
The only thing is, what if the call is obvious and the other team ends up winning?
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That's a good point and would be a problem for some kind of a formal review structure, except that they didn't. This is an extraordinary situation which ought to cause Bud Selig to exercise the extraordinary powers of his office.

I wouldn't have advocated some kind of after the fact, ad hoc ruling to overturn the Denkinger call in 1985, because it wasn't the last out of the game and the Royals came back and won. There would have been no way to make that one right. But this one seems easy; it was the last play of the game. Reversing the call makes literally everybody on the Earth happy except for the guy who got the "hit," and even he would admit that he didn't deserve it.
 
#59
#59
After watching the play from the reverse angle, I can see how the ump might have thought he bobbled the ball for a second but it was still a bad call.

I don't think the play should or will be reversed. The reason I say this is because if that play happens in the 3rd and he goes on to pitch a one hitter then no one is talking about it. The fact that it was the last play of the game should not affect the rules of what should or should not be overturned.

The ump is human and we all make mistakes. It's easy to call someone an idiot with slow-motion, multiple angle instant replay. It sucks and the wrong call was made but it happens.

That call last year in the playoffs when 2 Yankees were standing around 3rd and neither were touching the bag and only one of them was called out was by far a worse call.
 
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#60
#60
I say give it to him. Only since it was the 3rd out, the next batter grounded out, and the ump admitted it almost immediately after.

If the NBA can rescind fouls and T's that affect whether or not a guy can play the rest of a playoff series (Perkins for example) then this can be done.

Of course, we're talking about Bud Selig here so it wouldn't surprise me if Joyce gets a promotion out of this.
 
#62
#62
I work in PR for the Toledo Mud Hens (Tigers Triple A team) and am a lifelong Tigers fan (odd being I'm from Tennessee). I have watched Gallaraga from day 1 in this organization, he is a CLASS act. When he was sent down after the amazing season he had in 2008 he kept his head up and kept working. I was incredibly excited when Austin Jackson made that catch, I thought he would be the 1st Tiger to pitch a perfect game. When he made that call I wanted to throw up, it is a shame and Selig needs to give Gallaraga the perfect game and let the guy go down in the history books.
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#63
#63
Isnt amazing that in the history of recorded baseball, that there has only been 20 PERFECT games?
 
#64
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TennVols423 said:
I work in PR for the Toledo Mud Hens (Tigers Triple A team) and am a lifelong Tigers fan (odd being I'm from Tennessee). I have watched Gallaraga from day 1 in this organization, he is a CLASS act. When he was sent down after the amazing season he had in 2008 he kept his head up and kept working. I was incredibly excited when Austin Jackson made that catch, I thought he would be the 1st Tiger to pitch a perfect game. When he made that call I wanted to throw up, it is a shame and Selig needs to give Gallaraga the perfect game and let the guy go down in the history books.
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He's already in the history books. This will make him infamous instead of one of the 3 guys who threw a perfect game this year. From a PR standpoint, this is the best thing that could have happened to him.
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Roughneck said:
After watching the play from the reverse angle, I can see how the ump might have thought he bobbled the ball for a second but it was still a bad call.

I don't think the play should or will be reversed. The reason I say this is because if that play happens in the 3rd and he goes on to pitch a one hitter then no one is talking about it. The fact that it was the last play of the game should not affect the rules of what should or should not be overturned.

The ump is human and we all make mistakes. It's easy to call someone an idiot with slow-motion, multiple angle instant replay. It sucks and the wrong call was made but it happens.

That call last year in the playoffs when 2 Yankees were standing around 3rd and neither were touching the bag and only one of them was called out was by far a worse call.
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But it wasn't in the third. It should have been the absolute last play in the game. And the outcome of the game wasn't affected in the least. There are no what-ifs or could-have-beens here; it costs nobody anything to make this right. Whether it could have been something else is irrelevant; this is an extraordinary situation that calls for an extraordinary action by the commissioner. It's a shame that baseball hasn't had one since Fay Vincent was forced out.
 
#66
#66
Just another example of unions protecting the incompetent. Hold umpires to a standard and let the bad ones face the consequences of their incompetency.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
But it wasn't in the third. It should have been the absolute last play in the game. And the outcome of the game wasn't affected in the least. There are no what-ifs or could-have-beens here; it costs nobody anything to make this right. Whether it could have been something else is irrelevant; this is an extraordinary situation that calls for an extraordinary action by the commissioner. It's a shame that baseball hasn't had one since Fay Vincent was forced out.
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It didn't effect the outcome of the game and that is all anyone should be worried about. If that play would have cost them the game and the tigers miss the playoffs by a game then you have an argument. I don't think a play should be overturned for a feel good story.
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#72
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Roughneck said:
After watching the play from the reverse angle, I can see how the ump might have thought he bobbled the ball for a second but it was still a bad call.

I don't think the play should or will be reversed. The reason I say this is because if that play happens in the 3rd and he goes on to pitch a one hitter then no one is talking about it. The fact that it was the last play of the game should not affect the rules of what should or should not be overturned.

The ump is human and we all make mistakes. It's easy to call someone an idiot with slow-motion, multiple angle instant replay. It sucks and the wrong call was made but it happens.

That call last year in the playoffs when 2 Yankees were standing around 3rd and neither were touching the bag and only one of them was called out was by far a worse call.
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In that situation, I do not care if the runner is safe. If it is close enough to be judgement, you call an out.
 
#74
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lylsmorr said:
by the WORST call I have ever seen in my life. This is no knee jerk reaction either. That was the worst call I personally have ever seen. That umpire needs to be doing high school games
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MLB will make it right imo. Maybe even not until the off-season, but I believe they will escort their beautiful replay bride to the alter with this one. The more I watch his reaction and call, he looks like he was trying to over-think it. Like it was expected to be called out so he was saying, "wait no, I don't want to call it just bc.....Safe!!!" Ill say that he handled it about as good as you can. He went and spoke to Gallaraga after the game and straight said "I fkd up, and cost you history, and I'm deeply soRry" Gall was cool, so I am. It really helps me forgive him when he puts it out there and mans up.
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#75
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Roughneck said:
After watching the play from the reverse angle, I can see how the ump might have thought he bobbled the ball for a second but it was still a bad call.
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No. Still secured the ball a step before the runner got there. The umps have a job to get it right. He even has about half a second, it's wasn't as bang-bang as half the calls he had to make over the course of the game.
 
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