At least 14 dead at Dark Night premiere in Colorado

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TSwafford said:
yea cause of course violence in movies is the reason for dumbass people. i guess Cain was playing GTA when he decided to kill Abel
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Dont believe Cain went on a murderous rampage and killed others

Yes murder is murder, but mass murder is an exception to the rule

What makes a person murder people that they have no connection to?

Just willingly kill people for ****s and giggles?

Serial killers are in this group

Is it mental? Yes

But what was it that made them do it?

I agree, that most of this you will never be able to prevent

But to say that the violence that is betrayed on T.V., movies, ect is not partly to blame is as close minded as if I were to say that its the only reason

Me must concider how we raise our kids, the enviroments we subject them to, and our overall moral compass as a society

People are easily influenced. All it takes is years of being subjected to a believe and it becomes real
 
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utvolpj said:
no the point is that the amount of violence has likely not changed as a % of population but the exposure is at the highest level ever.



so violence isn't simply violence? Can we exclude all violence that comes from war too since that's just 2 countries fighting? Can we now exclude video games since many are shooting monsters or other military types?
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Do you not agree that violence is sometimes needed to prevent other violence?

Violence for no obvious reason than to inflict pain, suffering, and death on others is different

If I was to go kill a guy that had threatened to kill my family, is that the same as me walking in a school and killing innocent kids at random?
 
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CountVolcula said:
Do you not agree that violence is sometimes needed to prevent other violence?

Violence for no obvious reason than to inflict pain, suffering, and death on others is different

If I was to go kill a guy that had threatened to kill my family, is that the same as me walking in a school and killing innocent kids at random?
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then if no one is actually harmed (like in tv, movies, games) is it really violence? The act of you killing someone for any reason is infinitely more violent that any tv show movie or video game
 
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CountVolcula said:
But to say that the violence that is betrayed on T.V., movies, ect is not partly to blame is as close minded as if I were to say that its the only reason

Me must concider how we raise our kids, the enviroments we subject them to, and our overall moral compass as a society

People are easily influenced. All it takes is years of being subjected to a believe and it becomes real
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People always look for scapegoats. It's like when Marilyn Manson was blamed for Colombine. He didn't kill anyone and he didn't tell anyone to kill anyone. Those kids were going down the wrong path and they associated themselves with his music. The outcome would have been the same regardless of the existence of Manson. People will find their justification one way or another for what causes them to murder, when it ultimately it is only the fault of the murderer.
 
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davethevol said:
People always look for scapegoats. It's like when Marilyn Manson was blamed for Colombine. He didn't kill anyone and he didn't tell anyone to kill anyone. Those kids were going down the wrong path and they associated themselves with his music. The outcome would have been the same regardless of the existence of Manson. People will find their justification one way or another for what causes them to murder, when it ultimately it is only the fault of the murderer.
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I don't think people are looking for scapegoats. People naturally try to make sense of things that don't make sense. In so doing, they reach a bit far at times.

A steady diet of violence on a challenged psyche is bad news though.
 
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bamacheats said:
I don't think people are looking for scapegoats. People naturally try to make sense of things that don't make sense. In so doing, they reach a bit far at times.

A steady diet of violence on a challenged psyche is bad news though.
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But they do look for scapegoats. How many times has a teen committed a murder and the media/parents always go to the "he listened to Ozzy, Metallica, Slayer, Manson, Judas Priest, etc....."?
 
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I'm still undecided on the whole violent entertainment causes more violent acts issue, but I have to wonder if that was indeed true, then wouldn't there have been a much more violent reaction to the shooter? Instead of cowering in fear or making a dash for the exits, wouldn't more of the people, who were there to see a violent movie, have adopted the video game mentality and counter-attacked? Seems as though the majority of the behaviors in the theater were non-violent.

I counter that with some of the places I've been where they had very limited access to violent entertainment, but lots of access to violent behaviors. I'm talking about bazaars in Afghanistan were Delta Operators felt unsafe because almost anyone would shoot you dead at the slightest provocation.

Is it possible the amount of violence in tv, video games and movies actually allows most Americans to dissipate their innate violent tendencies in safer ways? Is it also possible that we are seeing the results of 1) greater access to more effective weapons 2) less deterrence due to greater restrictions on carrying of personal fire arms, as well as the fact that we can pretty much bet most people won't fight back and 3) greater knowledge due to our 24x7 flash news capabilities (as several have pointed out)?

jmo.
 
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What People experience (including what they watch and hear) can easily desensitize them to the actual consequences of their actions. They then can be easily manipulated to do things and they have no real sense of the magnitude of what they are saying or doing.

Why is that hard to understand? For those saying it has no bearing - Let me ask a question. If someone commits a heinous sexual crime and then it comes to light that said person was sexually abused/molested as a child - is it just a coincidence?
 
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volmanbill said:
The shooter had Tennessee plates on the car.

Tragic situation.
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The video of the white car behind the theater had Colorado tags (119-ROC). If that's the plates they're talking about then the news is mistaken.

They just said Tennessee plates again despite the video footage showing otherwise.
 
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It's true that nutcase killers have been around a long time. Some names of note:

Andrew Kehoe
Brought us the Bath School Disaster in 1927.

Howard Unruh
Killed over a dozen people in 1949

And of course Charles Whitman, the infamous TX tower sniper of 1966.

Hardly an exhaustive list and none of these are what would be considered "serial killers" or people "going postal" at their workplace. There's more than a few that went crazy on their families (one of which inspired the Amityville Horror story) but that's a little different, though no less nuts. Anyway, crazy people have been killing people for as long as there've been people.

I'm not a huge proponent of the idea that entertainment plays any major role in making people crazy but it could be a component, along with a bunch of other variables, that can perhaps "grease the wheels" a bit on those that are already mentally compromised. A bit of desensitization here and a bit of violence glorification there and some s***wrecked soul with little care for themselves and less for others starts asking themselves "Why not?".

Crazy people really unnerve me.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
What People experience (including what they watch and hear) can easily desensitize them to the actual consequences of their actions. They then can be easily manipulated to do things and they have no real sense of the magnitude of what they are saying or doing.

Why is that hard to understand? For those saying it has no bearing - Let me ask a question. If someone commits a heinous sexual crime and then it comes to light that said person was sexually abused/molested as a child - is it just a coincidence?
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I think there are distinct differences in the effect on a person between something experienced through watching/hearing while in a safe environment (i.e. a video game in your living room) and a traumatic experience that involves physical and emotional pain coupled with fear of safety or survival.

How many people experience PTSD from watching war movies?
 
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davethevol said:
But they do look for scapegoats. How many times has a teen committed a murder and the media/parents always go to the "he listened to Ozzy, Metallica, Slayer, Manson, Judas Priest, etc....."?
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That's not a scapegoat. A scapegoat would be, "lets not prosecute this kid for the crime, let's prosecute Slayer instead, since that's his favorite band."

Just people trying to cope and make sense.
 
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A person commiting acts like this usually has much more wrong with them than just being exposed to violent media.
 
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YorkVol said:
I think there are distinct differences in the effect on a person between something experienced through watching/hearing while in a safe environment (i.e. a video game in your living room) and a traumatic experience that involves physical and emotional pain coupled with fear of safety or survival.

How many people experience PTSD from watching war movies?
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My toddler is not allowed to watch any questionable programs on TV. We let him watch age appropriate programs and movies.

He has a 3 year old friend in daycare whose parents let him watch pretty much anything. They took him to see Avengers. he watches Family Guy and American Dad and his dad freely admits he watches his DVD collections of Beavis and Butthead.

Their kid cusses like a grown adult in the military. They think its funny. He also has a fascination with getting his toy guns and putting them to other kids heads, including my son's.

My son is polar opposite. I've worked hard to instill manners and respect in my child.

You cannot tell me and will never convince me that entertainment does not influence people, especially young ones.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
My toddler is not allowed to watch any questionable programs on TV. We let him watch age appropriate programs and movies.

He has a 3 year old friend in daycare whose parents let him watch pretty much anything. They took him to see Avengers. he watches Family Guy and American Dad and his dad freely admits he watches his DVD collections of Beavis and Butthead.

Their kid cusses like a grown adult in the military. They think its funny. He also has a fascination with getting his toy guns and putting them to other kids heads, including my son's.

My son is polar opposite. I've worked hard to instill manners and respect in my child.

You cannot tell me and will never convince me that entertainment does not influence people, especially young ones.
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Setting the exposure itself aside for the moment the boldened tells me there's a considerable dearth in guidance about what is or isn't "bad" about any of it. That's a really, really big problem these days that I personally think is a greater problem than what the kids are actually seeing.
 
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CountVolcula said:
What do we expect when we spoon feed kids violence everyday through T.V, movies, music, video games, etc. ?

Yet we dont tell them right from wrong

This world is going to hell in a handbasket and its our fault

One day, hopefully, people will wake the f up
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I applaud this post Count.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
What People experience (including what they watch and hear) can easily desensitize them to the actual consequences of their actions. They then can be easily manipulated to do things and they have no real sense of the magnitude of what they are saying or doing.

Why is that hard to understand? For those saying it has no bearing - Let me ask a question. If someone commits a heinous sexual crime and then it comes to light that said person was sexually abused/molested as a child - is it just a coincidence?
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I'm just surprised that Hitler and the Nazis were able to perpetrate something as heinous as the Holocaust without today's violent hip-hop lyrics and video games to desensitize them to the crimes they were committing. Give me a break. Violent crime is something that's as old as the earth itself, it hasn't appeared in the past 20 or so years to coincide with the arrival of violent rap music, video games and movies.
 
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bamacheats said:
I'm not buying that. I'm more in agreement with Count. We've got more violent entertainment than ever before but it has little impact? Where were the deranged people in the 20s and 30s? Or 40s and 50s?
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Right, because gangs or the Mob weren't prevalent back then
 
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