At least 14 dead at Dark Night premiere in Colorado

#76
#76
A few days ago 10 minutes from where I work:

Sheriff: Two Spartanburg snipers shot people at random | GoUpstate.com

"Bryan Marion Holder and Mattison Tyler Schomer were randomly shooting people for the sheer pleasure of shooting at people," Wright said. "They decided it would be fun to shoot and kill people."

and now this:

At least 14 dead at Dark Night premiere in Colorado
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My thoughts:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpzxf_flm8M[/youtube]
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
My toddler is not allowed to watch any questionable programs on TV. We let him watch age appropriate programs and movies.

He has a 3 year old friend in daycare whose parents let him watch pretty much anything. They took him to see Avengers. he watches Family Guy and American Dad and his dad freely admits he watches his DVD collections of Beavis and Butthead.

Their kid cusses like a grown adult in the military. They think its funny. He also has a fascination with getting his toy guns and putting them to other kids heads, including my son's.

My son is polar opposite. I've worked hard to instill manners and respect in my child.

You cannot tell me and will never convince me that entertainment does not influence people, especially young ones.
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I grew up watching the Simpsons starting in Kindergarten or 1st grade...played video games too for most of my life and I'm perfectly fine.

This though -your friends and their kid - sounds more like the issue being the parents, their level of parental responsibility/discipline, and their (possibly later) communication (thoughtfully) with their child on the subject matter that he/she has been exposed to and why it's wrong or right.
 
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#79
I've turned out pretty normal. Played video games since the Original Nintendo, watched violent movies and "suggestive" music since I can remember.

Parents can't stop their child(ren) from being completely exposed to the stuff. And even then, why would you to an extent. They should know how the world is and can be.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I'm just surprised that Hitler and the Nazis were able to perpetrate something as heinous as the Holocaust without today's violent hip-hop lyrics and video games to desensitize them to the crimes they were committing. Give me a break. Violent crime is something that's as old as the earth itself, it hasn't appeared in the past 20 or so years to coincide with the arrival of violent rap music, video games and movies.
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You are completely missing the point. No one is saying violence hasn't been around as long as man has been alive.

They can easily be a contributing factor in the mental stability of these psychos who have no specific agenda. They just randomly kill for sport.

Hitler had an agenda. Yes it was sick, twisted and I would say demonic, but he had an agenda. He didn't began killing random people for no apparent reason. He had a reason. A very wrong reason, but he had one.

Perhaps a psychology evaluation should be required for all students prior to them graduating. Maybe some of these sick people could gain therapy they need before they commit these heinous acts. It won't solve the overall problem but it could help.
 
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So I have to wonder what's going to get the "blame" for this. People like to try to establish 1:1 relationships with why "this person did this, because they read/played/watched this"

when these things are often much more complex then simply an if A, then B relationship (like so many try to make these into as an attempted means of better comprehension)
 
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TrueOrange said:
So I have to wonder what's going to get the "blame" for this. People like to try to establish 1:1 relationships with why "this person did this, because they read/played/watched this"

when these things are often much more complex then simply an if A, then B relationship (like so many try to make these into as an attempted means of better comprehension)
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#1- The guns
#2- Religious affiliation
#3- Parents
#4- Meat eater
#5- Bush
#6- Obama
#7- Parents
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
My toddler is not allowed to watch any questionable programs on TV. We let him watch age appropriate programs and movies.

He has a 3 year old friend in daycare whose parents let him watch pretty much anything. They took him to see Avengers. he watches Family Guy and American Dad and his dad freely admits he watches his DVD collections of Beavis and Butthead.

Their kid cusses like a grown adult in the military. They think its funny. He also has a fascination with getting his toy guns and putting them to other kids heads, including my son's.

My son is polar opposite. I've worked hard to instill manners and respect in my child.

You cannot tell me and will never convince me that entertainment does not influence people, especially young ones.
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The issue you are really discussing is boundaries. You have established reasonable boundaries and set up reasonable expectations for your kid's behavior within those boundaries. I'm a big proponent of this and think that kids actually develop better and into more well adjusted adolescents and adults when parents put these boundaries in place.

The other kid's parents either do not realize or do not care about the importance of these boundaries and their child's behavior reflects their apathy.

You could substitute food choices, clothing choices, toys etc for video games or tv shows but the topic would still be boundaries.
 
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CountVolcula said:
#1- The guns
#2- Religious affiliation
#3- Parents
#4- Meat eater
#5- Bush
#6- Obama
#7- Parents
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Well no I mean, there's always something found in the apartment that everyone (falsely) goes "AHA! This happened because he did THIS!"

Remember there was that period where there were media and parents all in uproars because they found "the columbine shooters listened to marilyn manson's music, he's the reason why" (or was that another shooting; this blame kind of thing happens a lot...this might have been a "television warped their minds" one) or "there was a first person shooting video game in the dorm of the VT shooter, that's why he did it!" (no, wait...it was his roommate's game...and the suspect never played it...oh)


...this kind of stuff that seems to come up with these types of tragedy
 
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CountVolcula said:
Not overreacting

Is it just a coincidence that the world has gotten more violent and morally corrupt or am I just imagining it?

Is it a coincidence that malls play certain types of music to influence a happy mood which tends to make shoppers spend more money?

Does certain smells or music trigger different emotions in human beings?

This is not made up BS.

It has an effect

http://www.uwlax.edu/urc/JUR-online/PDF/2010/ganser&huda.PSY.pdf
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Part of it could be that you hear about it more with 24/7 internet access and more people being caught with cameras everywhere and better forensics.

This guy wasn't trying to get away with it obviously but I'm sure there were plenty of murders and violent acts that people didn't know about back in the day. That's why you had serial killers getting away with 20 murders or however many before getting caught. If they could get away with that many prior to getting caught, I'm sure there were enough people getting away with 1 murder. Then you also had mafias who got away with who knows how many murders.

Maybe we have gotten more violent, I don't know. I just wouldn't rule out access to news 24/7 on your blackberry and it being almost impossible to get away with violent acts as part of the reason we seem more violent today. I'm sure the country was plenty violent before, you just didn't hear about it.
 
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rpvol said:
no reason for any trial. straight to the gallows with this idiot.
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I'm not willing to abandon the principles that our country was founded upon for mob justice. No, let him his his trial and receive his punishment. :hi:
 
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TrueOrange said:
So I have to wonder what's going to get the "blame" for this. People like to try to establish 1:1 relationships with why "this person did this, because they read/played/watched this"

when these things are often much more complex then simply an if A, then B relationship (like so many try to make these into as an attempted means of better comprehension)
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Just saw on the news he was a grad student at Colorado but had recently dropped out, perhaps we need to look at what they teach at the university?
 
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YorkVol said:
Just saw on the news he was a grad student at Colorado but had recently dropped out, perhaps we need to look at what they teach at the university?
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Not at all what I was saying...

I'm not calling for one saying that's how it works; I'm criticizing this tendency of people to look for one simple outside cause/factor for these actions/tragedies when the realities are that they are often overly complex and dealing with people who events have either broken or have (somewhat severe) mental issues


But, yes, an example of such an (incorrect) public response would be taking this "student at Colorado" or "neuroscience student" and then leaping (a pretty big leap)to a forgone conclusion of basis in the subject matter...which wouldnt be right
 
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TrueOrange said:
Not at all what I was saying...

I'm not calling for one saying that's how it works; I'm criticizing this tendency of people to look for one simple outside cause/factor for these actions/tragedies when the realities are that they are often overly complex and dealing with people who events have either broken or have (somewhat severe) mental issues


But, yes, an example of such an (incorrect) public response would be taking this "student at Colorado" or "neuroscience student" and then leaping (a pretty big leap)to a forgone conclusion of basis in the subject matter...which wouldnt be right
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I agree. The complexity of why someone does something like this is tremendous and no one fully understands it. Rarely, if ever, can we point to one particular factor and say that was the proximate cause.
 
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Burhead said:
I'm not willing to abandon the principles that our country was founded upon for mob justice. No, let him his his trial and receive his punishment. :hi:
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that is great, until you find the one lawyer that will prove that he was mistreated as a kid or played some violent video game at too early an age, or some other absurd reason and the guy gets life or worse yet is proved insane and gets committed. meanwhile 12 innocent people are dead and their families are left to deal with it.

whatever his reasons, he deserves to die. i don't need a trial to tell me that.
 
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rpvol said:
that is great, until you find the one lawyer that will prove that he was mistreated as a kid or played some violent video game at too early an age, or some other absurd reason and the guy gets life or worse yet is proved insane and gets committed. meanwhile 12 innocent people are dead and their families are left to deal with it.

whatever his reasons, he deserves to die. i don't need a trial to tell me that.
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That is certainly your right to think that way. Personally I'm not willing to throw away our justice system to satisfy the need for vengeance of the population.
 
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CountVolcula said:
What do we expect when we spoon feed kids violence everyday through T.V, movies, music, video games, etc. ?

Yet we dont tell them right from wrong

This world is going to hell in a handbasket and its our fault

One day, hopefully, people will wake the f up
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Blaming those things only goes so far. There are millions of people who interact with those things every day and don't go on rampages. If you want to blame something, try starting with the states that continue to cut funding for mental health or gun control laws for that matter. That would be a good start.
 
#98
#98
There is probably a need for national gun laws but it's going to take someone like Mitt Romney to institute it at a state level first.
 
#99
#99
Increased gun control would not have prevented this, but, more people carrying could have stopped it sooner.
 
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