athiests and agnostics know more about religion than churchgoers

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#177
So I take it Journey to the Center of the Earth is a historical account of the Ressurection?
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#180
bamacheats said:
Jewish historian Josephus recorded that the early Christians didn't believe in a hellfire, they believed and taught that when you died you're dead, that simple, but Christ opened the way for a resurrection to eternal life for the faithful.

Hellfire didn't become a "christian" teaching until Constantine, the pagan, converted for political reasons. History proves that the apostasy that Christ warned about would bring false teachers and this is a pagan teaching that wasn't believed by Jesus' apostles.

In addition, to understand many parts, the original language must be considered and there is no phrase or word in the original language to even hint at eternal damnation.

Those scriptures are not prophecy of eternal hellfire.
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Now this is how you do revisionist history.
 
#184
#184
sjt18 said:
Ancient Hebrew didn't have separate words for alot of things that we and the Greeks do.
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Jews don't believe in Hell and many Christians, and most Baptists, still consider them God's chosen nation. How can one group teach a doctrine that is fundamentally false to the other and God approve? Are disobedient Jews not going to burn? Don't you think murdering his son would be deserving?
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#188
VOLatile said:
:eek:k: I was just clarifying your statement, I was slightly confused by the Yoda-esque statement at first.
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Listen closely, you must! Misunderstanding turns to frustration.... frustration turns to ange---

Ah, screw it. It's too late for George Lucas vernacular.
 
#189
#189
Getting into this very late. But the poll asked 15 questions. They were just questions mostly dealing with specific people rather than doctrine or theology. Two of the 15 were Constitutional questions.

The part I find amusing is that we're grouping atheists with agnostics and both of these with everyone else religious in this country. How many Hindus and Buddhists know about Mormons? How many Christians about Hindus?

Are we somehow using this poll as an effort to attack someone who is religious? If so, those who are doing so are actually being the ignorant they are mocking. Reading the comments I think that point is proven.
 
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bamacheats said:
Jewish historian Josephus recorded that the early Christians didn't believe in a hellfire, they believed and taught that when you died you're dead, that simple, but Christ opened the way for a resurrection to eternal life for the faithful.

Hellfire didn't become a "christian" teaching until Constantine, the pagan, converted for political reasons. History proves that the apostasy that Christ warned about would bring false teachers and this is a pagan teaching that wasn't believed by Jesus' apostles.

In addition, to understand many parts, the original language must be considered and there is no phrase or word in the original language to even hint at eternal damnation.

Those scriptures are not prophecy of eternal hellfire.
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Source for Josephus' viewpoint?

Misconception here with burning for eternity and hell. Hell won't exist after the final judgment and the Lake of Fire.
 
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#194
IPorange said:
Yes. When they won't say they are sorry, I toss them in the oven for eternity.'

Oh, wait.
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That isn't what the Gospel teaches.

Jesus said; "It is NOT God's will that any man be destroyed", but he also said; "Nowhere is it written that a man MUST be saved."

Man has a choice about his own future.

PEW is only sowing seeds of doubt and deceipt.

They will reap what they sow.
 
#196
#196
CSpindizzy said:
Getting into this very late. But the poll asked 15 questions. They were just questions mostly dealing with specific people rather than doctrine or theology. Two of the 15 were Constitutional questions.

The part I find amusing is that we're grouping atheists with agnostics and both of these with everyone else religious in this country. How many Hindus and Buddhists know about Mormons? How many Christians about Hindus?

Are we somehow using this poll as an effort to attack someone who is religious? If so, those who are doing so are actually being the ignorant they are mocking. Reading the comments I think that point is proven.
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Don't forget Barry says we are now a muslim nation also.
 
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#198
Bottom line with these threads is one side is ultimately going on faith, the other evidence. Both have their respective shortcomings. IMO though, thoughtful reasoning of given evidence is the best course. In the end, nobody really knows the answer to the "ultimate" type questions, no matter how much faith or knowledge the claim to have.

I'm just going to say one side is a little more honest about their uncertainty than the other.
 
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