Athletes in favor of gay marriage rights

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#126
milohimself said:
I have been saying this for years.

Whether or not they can adopt is an issue for another time, but if a gay couple wants to jointly file taxes, get spousal rights for emergencies, etc. they should be able to.
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I have no problem with gay adoption either.
 
#128
#128
milohimself said:
If the states wanted it, they would have done it already. I think we're still decades away from seeing the Arkansas and Mississippis of the country put this through.
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That's the beauty of the intent of state sovereignty. If your state is full of people you disagree with, you can move. When the national government decides what's right for everybody there is no escaping it. Let Arkansas be backwards if they wanna be. If there are 49 states that have passed it, they'll get with the times.

In practice I agree with you that this would be good policy across the board. But if we turn to the federal government on matters like this, we have no choice but to accept their imposition of the war on drugs on every state, Roe v Wade, Fugitive Slave Act, etc.
 
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nbakerld said:
That's the beauty of the intent of state sovereignty. If your state is full of people you disagree with, you can move. When the national government decides what's right for everybody there is no escaping it. Let Arkansas be backwards if they wanna be. If there are 49 states that have passed it, they'll get with the times.
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In that case, you might still have segregation in some states.
 
#131
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droski said:
as long as there is no kids involved and they are willing i could care less if you want 4 wives. are we going to eliminate "marriage certficates" and just call them "civil union" certificates? i'm all for that.
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I could support either of these ideas.

However, many gay marriage supporters cringe when recognition of polygamy is suggested.
 
#132
#132
milohimself said:
Because Mormons do it and Mormons are weird.
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Mormons don't practice polygamy. Fundamentalists that are excommunicated practice polygamy.

And yes, polygamy should be legal. So should incest (among consenting adults). After all, if people love each other, who are we to judge?
 
#134
#134
tvolsfan said:
In that case, you might still have segregation in some states.
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You might, but not likely. You might still have segregation with the Federal government calling the shots. They are probably the biggest violator of civil liberties in US history.
 
#135
#135
nbakerld said:
You might, but not likely. You might still have segregation with the Federal government calling the shots. They are probably the biggest violator of civil liberties in US history.
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The point is that leaving everything up to the states isn't always the way to go.
 
#136
#136
MG1968 said:
if the ceremony is performed by a justice of the peace, ship's captain or some other, secular figure, call it a civil union. If it's performed by a religious figure call it a marriage. Consider both to be legal contracts that confer the same benefits in terms of taxes, inheritance, etc.
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sounds fine to me, but what is considered a religious figure? at this point i can go on the internet and in 5 minutes be a minister.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Maybe not the base, but I think there are fiscal conservatives/social liberals that would be more likely to vote Republican.
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I would fall into that category and would vote for the right Republican due to the current administrations gross over spending.
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OrangeVol79 said:
Civil War was purely a Economical issue! Northern states were afraid of the advancing economy of the south.
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I would say "mostly" economical for the north, but for many citizens it was moral (and the economics also encompass the slavery issue). For the North, states' rights was not an issue, but to the south it was. Just ask Brigadier General States Rights Gist (real given name).

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#143
#143
droski said:
sounds fine to me, but what is considered a religious figure? at this point i can go on the internet and in 5 minutes be a minister.
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true, but that could be handled by individual states. You could limit "religious figure" to meaning a pastor/preacher/priest at an established, brick and mortar facility that has a local tax id.

what's important is the legal contract that comes out of the ceremony.
 
#144
#144
droski said:
sounds fine to me, but what is considered a religious figure? at this point i can go on the internet and in 5 minutes be a minister.
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Just let everything be a civil union in the eyes of the government. Christians can call their civil union whatever they want and the Gays can call it whatever they want. It's still a civil union.
 
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#145
lumberjack4 said:
Just let everything be a civil union in the eyes of the government. Christians can call their civil union whatever they want and the Gays can call it whatever they want. It's still a civil union.
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This, to me, would be a great solution. Take the government out of the marriage business.
 
#146
#146
IPorange said:
This, to me, would be a great solution. Take the government out of the marriage business.
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agreed, but one of the reasons the LGBT community wants this right is because it confers certain federal tax advantages. Of course, if the US went to a strictly consumption based revenue system (like the Fair Tax)...

hmmm, we may be on to something
 
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#147
MG1968 said:
agreed, but one of the reasons the LGBT community wants this right is because it confers certain federal tax advantages. Of course, if the US went to a strictly consumption based revenue system (like the Fair Tax)...

hmmm, we may be on to something
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I'm sympathetic to this, but steps would have to be taken to keep people from spending money overseas and just bringing things in, as well as countering an elaborate black market that would be sure to spring up.
 
#148
#148
MG1968 said:
agreed, but one of the reasons the LGBT community wants this right is because it confers certain federal tax advantages. Of course, if the US went to a strictly consumption based revenue system (like the Fair Tax)...

hmmm, we may be on to something
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Or no income tax. If we eliminated income tax, the Federal government would still be collecting the same amount of revenue they collected 11 years ago! And we could cut out the entire IRS in our spending budget. Everybody wins (unless you work for the IRS).

I like Ron Paul's 10% Opt-out plan. Brilliant.

YouTube - ‪Ron Paul's Full Speech at CPAC 2011: The Brushfires of Freedom Are Burning!‬‏
 
#149
#149
MG1968 said:
agreed, but one of the reasons the LGBT community wants this right is because it confers certain federal tax advantages. Of course, if the US went to a strictly consumption based revenue system (like the Fair Tax)...

hmmm, we may be on to something
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Even sticking with the current tax system, if everything was a civil union in the eyes of the government heterosexual and homosexual unions would have they same tax rights, power of attorney, and so on. I think its the most commonsense solution.
 
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