Athletes in favor of gay marriage rights

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#76
All I know is that if you are gay and get married, I hope that you enhoy life in hell. Being gay is wrong. JMO
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IPorange said:
I would if there were derogatory slurs referring to them, a history of murder and physical violence against them by all walks of life, etc. You know. Like... gays, for instance.
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Like fudgepacker? Like chubby chaser? Are those derogatory terms? :unsure:

And The Mormons simply chose to move all the way to Utah for the heck of it, not because they were forced to move out there due to violence?
 
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IPorange said:
I think it's a form of persecution. One is targeting a specific group based on orientation.
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When will you be in favor of father-daughter marriage? I'm sure there are dozens of those couples that suffer in silence everyday.

Or, if you want to be more daring, what about father-son-son marriage? Now you've added incest to polygamy with a homosexual twist.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
All I know is that if you are gay and get married, I hope that you enhoy life in hell. Being gay is wrong. JMO
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Yeah, because being gay is such an easy way of life. When you see a child and know they are gay do you not realize that they were born that way. Are you ignorant enough to believe they are making that decision?
I know I didn't choose to be straight and I believe gays don't choose either.
 
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OrangeVol79 said:
Yeah, because being gay is such an easy way of life. When you see a child and know they are gay do you not realize that they were born that way. Are you ignorant enough to believe they are making that decision?
I know I didn't choose to be straight and I believe gays don't choose either.
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I'm sure there are plenty of daughters that love their daddies in a special kind of way, also... :unsure:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I wonder if you shed any tears for the families that are affected by jackbooting gov't thugs coming in and breaking up their happy homes because you have a marriage between one man and more than one woman?
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volinbham said:
I think we are seriously dumbing down the word in this case.

It's already happened to racism.

You in effect are saying Obama (and anyone else not supporting gay marriage) is persecuting gay people.

Accusing someone of persecution is a pretty big deal; or it use to be. Now about 1/2 the country is persecuting gay people. Must be the new in thing.
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IP doesn't support my religion or God so he's persecuting me.
 
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I come down on the side that while some homosexuals have been persecuted, and many feel persecuted (due to the fear and alienation generated by actual persecution), that denial of marriage to homosexuals is not persecution. However, I am inclined to view it as discrimination. Not all opposition is necessarily bigoted or discriminatory, but my SENSE is that much if not most of the opposition has its roots there.

I will also add that feeling or fearing persecuted/persecution is in some ways a form of being persecuted if there are real reasons behind the fear. I would suggest that any kid who went through highschool out of the closet or behind a thin veil could probably attest to that. It is in many ways what leads to the somewhat militant views that some/many homosexuals have later in life. It is likely why civil union "isn't enough."
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IPorange said:
They're complicit with an injustice, yes. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you, but it is what it is.

And it IS a big deal. If you aren't trying to improve the situation and support progress, you are part of the problem.

Don't pretend like there isn't a high degree of homophobia and bigotry surrounding this debate. I've read the word "******" 3 times on this forum in the last 24 hours, each time not one person protested, no mod intervened and said anything, nothing. Yet, "******" is widely regarded as unacceptable. To me, the words are equally hateful and unacceptable.

A large portion of America are homophobic at the least and bigoted at the most. That is a large part of what is feeding the anti-gay marriage, anti-gay agenda. Call me a LG or whatever, but it's the truth if people even on this forum are honest about it.
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I see plenty on here take the Lord's name in vain. They'll say "Jesus Christ..." or "God..." and yet nobody says anything or protests, yet it offends me, but I don't cry about it. To me IT is equally hateful and unacceptable, yet I've never seen you say anything, why not?

Clearly you are Godophobic and if it fits into your anti-God, anti-religion agenda you always show up to make fun of Christianity, yet it's not acceptable to say a negative word against someone's sexual desires.

Yea, you are really progressive as long as it fits your Godophobia agenda.
 
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IPorange said:
They're complicit with an injustice, yes. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you, but it is what it is.

And it IS a big deal. If you aren't trying to improve the situation and support progress, you are part of the problem.
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Some would suggest that it is an injustice that illegal immigrants aren't given the same social services as citizens. Is anyone who believes otherwise complicit in this "injustice"?

You are starting from a point where your view is 100% correct - it is an injustice (and serious one from your use of the term persecution) then arguing that any on who doesn't agree is perpetuating this injustice.

It's equivalent to saying that anyone who doesn't oppose abortion is complicit in killing life. Do you buy that? Are you persecuting unborn lives by not stopping abortion?

I question whether or not this is a serious injustice. If you want to say I'm complicit in persecuting gays then have at it.

Not to overstate it but this is what has happened to debated. Start from a viewpoint where you are 100% right and the other person is 100% wrong then instead of looking at arguments we accuse the opponent of being a bigot, some kind of "ist", unAmerican, a "phobe" of some kind, etc.

Oddly enough not all gays support gay marriage - I guess they are persecuting themselves.
 
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JZVOL said:
I see plenty on here take the Lord's name in vain. They'll say "Jesus Christ..." or "God..." and yet nobody says anything or protests, yet it offends me, but I don't cry about it. To me IT is equally hateful and unacceptable, yet I've never seen you say anything, why not?

Clearly you are Godophobic and if it fits into your anti-God, anti-religion agenda you always show up to make fun of Christianity, yet it's not acceptable to say a negative word against someone's sexual desires.

Yea, you are really progressive as long as it fits your Godophobia agenda.
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When I advocate making laws that set a Christian's legal standing as lower, advocate some harm coming to them, claim them to be inferior in anyway, you would have a point. But I don't.

You have demonstrated one of my biggest issues with mainstream religions, in that you have implied that you have a monopoly on the words "god, Christ, Jesus," etc. You don't. Me saying any of those words is in no way comparable to the historical implications of the words I mentioned earlier. It's truly astounding that you think they are.

I'm not "godophobic" the least. Being godophobic would probably mean I was religious. I am very much phobic of widespread ignorance and enforcing moralities on other people. I don't want to live in Iran-West.

Discriminating against homosexuals is the civil rights of our day. I don't care if you think your god said they were evil, they're human beings who deserve to have the same choices we do.
 
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volinbham said:
Some would suggest that it is an injustice that illegal immigrants aren't given the same social services as citizens. Is anyone who believes otherwise complicit in this "injustice"?

You are starting from a point where your view is 100% correct - it is an injustice (and serious one from your use of the term persecution) then arguing that any on who doesn't agree is perpetuating this injustice.

It's equivalent to saying that anyone who doesn't oppose abortion is complicit in killing life. Do you buy that? Are you persecuting unborn lives by not stopping abortion?

I question whether or not this is a serious injustice. If you want to say I'm complicit in persecuting gays then have at it.

Not to overstate it but this is what has happened to debated. Start from a viewpoint where you are 100% right and the other person is 100% wrong then instead of looking at arguments we accuse the opponent of being a bigot, some kind of "ist", unAmerican, a "phobe" of some kind, etc.

Oddly enough not all gays support gay marriage - I guess they are persecuting themselves.
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If you can explain to me why it's okay for a group of citizens to not enjoy the same status as others with the state, have at it. Point out my error.
 
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IPorange said:
If you can explain to me why it's okay for a group of citizens to not enjoy the same status as others with the state, have at it. Point out my error.
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American Indians have different status on some issues

African Americans have different status on some issues

I'm sure there are plenty of others.

Marriage begins with a definition. The same is true for citizenship. The same is true for any number of "status's" that the government oversees. They all begin with a definition of who qualifies. From the beginning of our history that definition was 1 man and 1 woman - those were the qualifiers. Sorry polygamists the definition doesn't fit We won't put a state stamp on your relationship. Preventing interracial marriage? Problem there since the definition did not specify race.

I have no doubt the "definition" will change. Even Obama says his position is evolving.


Now to the abortion thing - how is not preventing abortion not perpetuating an injustice against the unborn life? Could it be how we've defined life? If we changed the definition to conception would anyone who supports abortion now be persecuting the unborn?

At it's core - marriage (as opposed to equivalent civil union) is a symbol of society - it is entirely symbolic. That is what is being denied; a societal symbol. If you look into the reasons why gay people who oppose gay marriage you will see it is all about this symbol. They are opposed to heterosexualizing, homosexuality.

This is not preventing people from jobs, restaurants, country clubs, etc. Gay people can call themselves married if they like. In the end, the state is just not using the word "married" to describe the relationship.

Finally, stamping the word "married" on a gay relationship doesn't change how homophobic people see them. It doesn't mean society feels any different about their relationship. This is why I object most to court based solutions - the courts cannot confer symbolism.

I have no doubt that we are probably 10 years max from pretty widespread acceptance of gay marriage. Until then I don't see this issue as persecution or some great injustice.
 
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