Athlon predicts the results of UT's season....

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With all these prediction articles coming out, you can tell it's getting down to nut cuttin' time. I'm just ready for some freaking football and seeing team 117 bust some heads!:rock:
 
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Cpatter4 said:
You clearly weren't watching the games last year and how close we came to winning a lot of those games. 5-7 will be underachieving even for this year.
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And you clearly are forgetting how much we are losing on the offensive side of the ball. That was the reason we were even in those games.
 
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vtvol98 said:
It's certainly plausible for Tennessee to lose in Columbia. Mizzou is the third game of a stretch which has the Vols playing USCe at home and then Bama on the road. The Vols then have Auburn at home. Auburn could most certainly become a must-win game.

More so than the UK and Vandy losses by Dooley was his team's inability to hold a comfortable lead against Mizzou and fall in 4 ot's last year. Dooley's utter lack of clock management at the end of regulation of that game was inexplicable and inexcusable.
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So Mizzou is some no-talent team, with a crappy coach, that have no experience against good teams??? Cause the way people act Mizzou is some team that we should have curb stomped. Was it based off the part of the season where their QB was out??

Do u even know the reason Dooley gave for the way he handled the end of that game?? I would love to read ur opnion on it.
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SCvol333 said:
some of you guys just have to progress with your expectations - its like when you date your first hot girl - the way you act has to change - its just not the same as it was before - your not with a 6 anymore so pull your shoulders up, shake off the Dooley and lets watch CBJ win some games

my guess is in year 1 or 2 CBJ wins 9 - not sure which, depends on how quick they "get" the offensive scheme
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"shake off the Dooley" Well said.
 
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VFL10 said:
Dude you need to wake up and smell the roses. We are talking about the first season of a new head coach and the first season after the Dooley era. We should thank the heavens if the worst we do is 6-6.
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Dude, I'm not smelling roses. I am discussing football... and comparing the roster 3 years ago to the one now. The difficulty of schedule was similar then... maybe a little tougher. Dooley who we now know was NOT a competent football coach won 6 games and was within a hair's breadth of winning 8.

If Jones is not a coach who can take what UT has returning and overcome the youth at WR to win 7+ games then there will be absolutely NO reason to believe he will ever have a roster he can win a championship with at UT.

I like him. I like what he's done. I am certainly hopeful... but I am not deluded enough to believe that 6-6 will mean anything more than "average". And average simply doesn't win big in the SEC.
 
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I guess I don't get all this 5-7 or 6-6 stuff. If you swim in pig shizz long enough, you can't really smell it anymore. Someone has to remind you that pig shizz stinks! I just can't bring myself to type 6-6 as an expectation or something that we should all be happy with.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
Idc what happens this year really, but Butch better win 8 or more games in 2014 or bring Fulmer back.
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I guess it is true that you just can't fix stupid.

Fulmer was not a competitive coach when his tenure ended at UT. He NEVER demonstrated the willingness or ability to demand excellence from his staff without Cutcliffe around. Fulmer would make a bad situation worse.
 
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fade route said:
Agreed. I'm thinking we lose one and win one between Mizzou and Auburn. I just can't make up my mind which one til I see these teams in action come Sept.
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So it is OK with you for UT with much more talent to lose to Mizzou who is about on the level with UK talent wise? Mizzou should have been 4-8 last year and their roster did NOT get appreciably better over the off-season.
 
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sjt18 said:
Then get ready to settle into mediocrity or to go through another coaching search in 3 or 4 years. Sorry you think so little of Jones.
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That's crazy. The year 1 record means nothing. Heck, Dooley by all rights should have won 8 in 2010 and that wouldn't have been reflective at all.
 
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SCvol333 said:
some of you guys just have to progress with your expectations - its like when you date your first hot girl - the way you act has to change - its just not the same as it was before - your not with a 6 anymore so pull your shoulders up, shake off the Dooley and lets watch CBJ win some games

my guess is in year 1 or 2 CBJ wins 9 - not sure which, depends on how quick they "get" the offensive scheme
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If this is a six win roster then next year's is a 4 win roster without some MAJOR JUCO homerun signees who gel at the first team meeting.
 
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GAVol said:
That's crazy. The year 1 record means nothing. Heck, Dooley by all rights should have won 8 in 2010 and that wouldn't have been reflective at all.
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Not true... and that's the point. Dooley as bad as he proved to be won what most seem to be expecting from Jones with a worse roster and a schedule that was just as tough.

Every record from every year matters when you evaluate the ability of a coach to get the most out of a roster. This is NOT a six win roster if Jones can coach.
 
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I hate to say it, but sjt18 is making alot of sense here. Most of the teams we play don't have a raw talent advantage. Some might have had a coaching advantage, but that should hopefully be in the past, given what we're spending on our new staff. I'm not setting huge expectations, but I'm not going to celebrate if we go 6-6 either.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
So Mizzou is some no-talent team, with a crappy coach, that have no experience against good teams??? Cause the way people act Mizzou is some team that we should have curb stomped.
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They were. I live in Missouri, have a vested interest in the school, and have followed them more closely for longer than probably anyone here.

Missouri at their best was barely a second tier Big 12 school. They are a very long way from being a good team in the SEC.

Do u even know the reason Dooley gave for the way he handled the end of that game?? I would love to read ur opnion on it.
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Not sure I care or why it is relevant. If UT has not hired a coach that is better than Dooley then they've hired the wrong guy. That's kind of been my point arguing with these 6-6 people all along. If you standard is Dooley at 6-6 then you should be fine with Jones at 6-6. If you think Dooley is some kind of dog that hasn't been kicked enough for failing at UT then how on earth do you justify a result from Jones that is no better than what Dooley did?
 
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sjt18 said:
Every record from every year matters when you evaluate the ability of a coach to get the most out of a roster.
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I can probably cite 50 examples to prove that it's not indicative . . . Holtz at SC, Saban at Alabama, Muschamp at Florida. Coach transitions are almost always bumpy in year 1 regardless of the talent level.
 
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fade route said:
Agreed. I'm thinking we lose one and win one between Mizzou and Auburn. I just can't make up my mind which one til I see these teams in action come Sept.
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Missouri is a win, Auburn is gonna be tough, kinda like us, they have the talent, just a bad year last year. Early on last year they played Clemson to the wire, just lost there desire and heart as the season went on. Remind you of another team?
 
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Vanderbilt will not beat UT at Neyland, I don't care how many sexy assistant coaches' wives James Franklin brings.
 
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GAVol said:
I can probably cite 50 examples to prove that it's not indicative . . . Holtz at SC, Saban at Alabama, Muschamp at Florida. Coach transitions are almost always bumpy in year 1 regardless of the talent level.
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This.
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Oskie Volum said:
So Mizzou is some no-talent team, with a crappy coach, that have no experience against good teams??? Cause the way people act Mizzou is some team that we should have curb stomped. Was it based off the part of the season where their QB was out??

Do u even know the reason Dooley gave for the way he handled the end of that game?? I would love to read ur opnion on it.
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I believe the reason Dooley gave for sitting on the ball with the scored tied and 33 seconds remaining on the clock was that he was afraid that his offense might turn the ball over. No guts...no glory my man.
 
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vtvol98 said:
I believe the reason Dooley gave for sitting on the ball with the scored tied and 33 seconds remaining on the clock was that he was afraid that his offense might turn the ball over. No guts...no glory my man.
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Not to mention that our offense was the lone bright spot last year. Why would you trust the defense to make a critical stop in OT when they were incapable of doing it during regulation? Just.... stupid
 
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GAVol said:
I can probably cite 50 examples to prove that it's not indicative . . . Holtz at SC, Saban at Alabama, Muschamp at Florida. Coach transitions are almost always bumpy in year 1 regardless of the talent level.
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Holtz at SC? Not applicable at any level.

Saban walked into a discipline mess and cracked alot of eggs. No such thing for Jones. In fact, he has said this team has bought in better than his previous two.

Muschamp likewise inherited a bunch of discipline problems from Meyer. He had youth all over the field including both lines. IIRC, most of his D was Sophs.


OTOH, Dooley got six wins. Freeze got six wins at Ole Miss coming into a mess and playing a schedule that included the SECW and UGA and Texas.

Sumlin... goes without saying.

Richt was 8-3 in his first year.

James Franklin was 6-6 in his first year at Vandy.

Les Miles was 11-2.

Kelly was 8-5 at ND.

Brady Hoke was 11-2.

The list is almost endless of mediocre to good coaches who walked into situations as bad or worse and won 6 or more games.

If 6-6 to you is good for Jones with this roster... then just prepare yourself... and not to celebrate championships.
 
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