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Dbake005 said:
Votto. Tulo. Zimmerman. Upton. Kemp. Ichiro.
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Ichiro came over late (I think). Upton won't be done when this contract runs out. I'm not convinced the Votto, Tulo, or Zimmerman contracts are followed all the way through.

Kemp, I agree.
 
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Dbake005 said:
Why are there no more chippers or jeters? Explain
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It is money man, small markets cannot compete when 40percent of their payroll is on 2 players. You can not win like that. Especially since one bad contract can handcuff a team for years. Look at Fielder and Pujols, do you think their teams wanted to let them walk? Salaries are too damn high. Your average team cannot afford to keep their stars at market value and field winners around them.. Small markets might as well be farm systems for your Red Sox and Yankees of the world
 
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Small market teams have it rough compared to huge market teams. Yes.

Notable: neither of those players signed with the Yankees or Red Sox.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
It is money man, small markets cannot compete when 40percent of their payroll is on 2 players. You can not win like that. Especially since one bad contract can handcuff a team for years. Look at Fielder and Pujols, do you think their teams wanted to let them walk? Salaries are too damn high. Your average team cannot afford to keep their stars at market value and field winners around them.. Small markets might as well be farm systems for your Red Sox and Yankees of the world
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You are assuming that teams make rational decisions. I literally cannot remember the last time the Braves didn't have a bad contract eating up a giant chunk of their payroll and killing their flexibility. Braves fans are always talking about "next year, when X finally comes off the books." And there's always another contract after that, equally bad. Teams never learn.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
I didn't say they did, I used them as a model for the current systems.. which is why I followed with "of the world"
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I know. But I wouldn't have really considered the Tigers in that realm.

I mean, its no secret that big market teams have a great life compared to small market.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You are assuming that teams make rational decisions. I literally cannot remember the last time the Braves didn't have a bad contract eating up a giant chunk of their payroll and killing their flexibility. Braves fans are always talking about "next year, when X finally comes off the books." And there's always another contract after that, equally bad. Teams never learn.
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Always going to be bad contracts, that is the game. A lot of factors come into play ie injuries, age decline, etc.
 
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At a quick glance, the last time the Braves played a season in which they weren't saddled with at least one horrible albatross of a contract was 2002.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Always going to be bad contracts, that is the game. A lot of factors come into play ie injuries, age decline, etc.
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The biggest reason there will always be bad contracts is because the market demands that teams hand out so many years to get the contract signed in the first place. The Reds already know that the back half of the Votto contract is a risk. The back half of Matt Kemp's contract is a terrible risk. Teams know this, but that's what they have to offer now in order to get the players locked up through their primes.

There will always be a few guys who slip through, renew their contracts, and then have it work out that they can retire with the same team.
 
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If/when we lose Mac and Chipper, there's no excuse to not give Bourn the money.

But if we decide to pass on the 2, who do we go after in free agency?
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Kingston Vol said:
If/when we lose Mac and Chipper, there's no excuse to not give Bourn the money.

But if we decide to pass on the 2, who do we go after in free agency?
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I wouldn't get your hopes up. Payroll has been cut by 10 million since '01. They do it by taking money off the books via expiring contracts and not alloting that money towards other free agent targets. I almost expect that to be the case with Chipper's cap number coming off the books (to a certain degree anyway). You should write Liberty Media a nasty letter. A few of us are planning a bake sale to raise $$$ for a big name. I know slh1089 has a mean banana pudding recipe.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
If/when we lose Mac and Chipper, there's no excuse to not give Bourn the money.

But if we decide to pass on the 2, who do we go after in free agency?
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Really don't mean to sound like a jackass, but tired of the retread Michael bourn conversation.

Common sense says not to give bourn the money.
 
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Yesterday was national chocolate chip cookie day. We may have missed our window of opportunity. I'll start planning the car wash. Verc, tell your son to confiscate as many of those fundraising candy bars from school as possible. We gotta think big here.. The next albatross contract needs us!

Scotty's Flat Top said:
I wouldn't get your hopes up. Payroll has been cut by 10 million since '01. They do it by taking money off the books via expiring contracts and not alloting that money towards other free agent targets. I almost expect that to be the case with Chipper's cap number coming off the books (to a certain degree anyway). You should write Liberty Media a nasty letter. A few of us are planning a bake sale to raise $$$ for a big name. I know slh1089 has a mean banana pudding recipe.
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