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Escape Goat said:
Agreed. Get him out of the bigs. You can pretty much chalk up every one of his starts as a loss at this point. Sorry big orange 15, but it is the truth. Dude is garbage right now.
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No doubt. BP Mike needs to be sent down for a while. Not giving up on him by any means but he's just not ready...
 
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TBrown said:
There's a difference in guys who never fulfill their potential and guys who don't have potential. My problem is with the braves drafting the latter solely for slot and signability purposes.
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That's just what you're going to get with this ownership. The Braves don't significantly participate in the free agent market; they don't draft high-dollar amateurs that may or may not turn out. Wren talks a lot about finding value in the market, and I don't really disagree with anything he says about it, but longterm if that's all you do, then that's how you build a good but never great team.

I don't sweat Minor's draft position at all. I mean, the only guy taken ahead of him that's done anything at all in the majors so far is Strasburg. Several of them don't look like they'll ever do anything at all. It's a crapshoot.
 
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I don't care about the guys drafted before him.. They weren't on the board at no. 7. Check out the rest of round one.

Vercingetorix said:
That's just what you're going to get with this ownership. The Braves don't significantly participate in the free agent market; they don't draft high-dollar amateurs that may or may not turn out. Wren talks a lot about finding value in the market, and I don't really disagree with anything he says about it, but longterm if that's all you do, then that's how you build a good but never great team.

I don't sweat Minor's draft position at all. I mean, the only guy taken ahead of him that's done anything at all in the majors so far is Strasburg. Several of them don't look like they'll ever do anything at all. It's a crapshoot.
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TBrown said:
I don't care about the guys drafted before him.. They weren't on the board at no. 7. Check out the rest of round one.
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There are hits and misses. Only one guy's played in an all-star game so far, right? Even though the college players are 25, 26 years old now.

You're going to spend a lifetime driving yourself crazy if you pay any attention at all to the baseball draft. It's like following high school football recruiting, but even less exact.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
There are hits and misses. Only one guy's played in an all-star game so far, right? Even though the college players are 25, 26 years old now.

You're going to spend a lifetime driving yourself crazy if you pay any attention at all to the baseball draft. It's like following high school football recruiting, but even less exact.
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I understand what you're saying. I underhand hit or miss and inexact science. My problem is that no one else had minor that high, hell the braves probably didn't have minor that high. They took him because he would sign an he would sign for slot or under slot. Same for Gilmartin. If we took a HS star and he fizzled out or got hurt, I'd shake my head, say oh well, and chalk it up to what you're saying. But we don't even give ourselves a chance drafting peaked, polished, whatever you want to call them college lefties who can't top 90.
 
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Rex Brothers was a supplemental pick in the same draft.. I had a very good look at both of their college careers and I would have taken Rex 10/10 times before Minor.
 
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TBrown said:
I understand what you're saying. I underhand hit or miss and inexact science. My problem is that no one else had minor that high, hell the braves probably didn't have minor that high. They took him because he would sign an he would sign for slot or under slot. Same for Gilmartin. If we took a HS star and he fizzled out or got hurt, I'd shake my head, so oh well, and chalk it up to what you're saying. But we don't even give ourselves a chance drafting peaked, polished, whatever you want to call them HS lefties who can't top 90.
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How many organizations are there that wouldn't trade their crop of young pitchers/MLB-ready prospects for what the Braves have?

From a fan standpoint, at least, I think you have to regard the whole draft/Latin American scouting/etc thing as the open end of a giant funnel. You can't worry about what's going in one end, it's what comes out the other that matters. And whatever their other failings as an organization, the Braves always seem to have a ton of valuable young pitching prospects -- which is only the most valuable asset in the sport. I can't get that hung up on quibbling about draft specifics because they're doing a great job at producing a constant stream of quality starting pitching prospects.
 
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TBrown said:
Rex Brothers was a supplemental pick in the same draft.. I had a very good look at both of their college careers and I would have taken Rex 10/10 times before Minor.
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Rex Brothers has a WHIP of 2.28 right now. He's getting banged around like a pinball machine. It's hard to seriously regard him as some great what-if.
 
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Julio was our last significant signing I believe (besides Salcedo) and Viz was a great trade by Wren. To be honest, I can't tell you the details of Delgado's signing. All of those were under a different scouting director/player personnel director/draft manager/whatever that guys title is. There has been a distinct shift if the philosophy of filling of minor league system that coincided with a different person at the top. I'm hoping we're drafting more college players because our upper levels of minor leagues are bare. However, I think it's because we're cheap. As you stated earlier, it's a decent plan to always begood, but never great.

Vercingetorix said:
How many organizations are there that wouldn't trade their crop of young pitchers/MLB-ready prospects for what the Braves have?

From a fan standpoint, at least, I think you have to regard the whole draft/Latin American scouting/etc thing as the open end of a giant funnel. You can't worry about what's going in one end, it's what comes out the other that matters. And whatever their other failings as an organization, the Braves always seem to have a ton of valuable young pitching prospects -- which is only the most valuable asset in the sport. I can't get that hung up on quibbling about draft specifics because they're doing a great job at producing a constant stream of quality starting pitching prospects.
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TBrown said:
Julio was our last significant signing I believe (besides Salcedo) and Viz was a great trade by Wren. To be honest, I can't tell you the details of Delgado's signing. All of those were under a different scouting director/player personnel director/draft manager/whatever that guys title is. There has been a distinct shift if the philosophy of filling of minor league system that coincided with a different person at the top. I'm hoping we're drafting more college players because our upper levels of minor leagues are bare. However, I think it's because we're cheap. As you stated earlier, it's a decent plan to always begood, but never great.
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This is how it's going to be as long as the Braves are owned by a corporation that doesn't give a crap whether they win or not. The goal is to be competitive, keep the fans coming, and not diminish the value of the franchise; anything else is a just a bonus. That's why there was money available to extend Chipper but never to go after younger, higher-impact free agents. The goal isn't to win, it's to be in a position to win. That's a big difference.
 
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Valid points. But we also had absentee, cheap ownership when Heyward and Freeman were drafted. I just want a ceiling.. It's a couple 100K.. I mean cmon
 
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Freeman was taken late in the second round, right?

And Heyward is a local kid. The Braves have been suckers for drafting and marketing the local guys for years now. It's the reason I think McCann's contract will be extended, regardless of how much sense it makes. Much of the local advertising in recent years has emphasized the homegrown Georgia guys on the team.

No money is going into this team until they sell.
 
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TBrown said:
We took Hey 14th so I'm assuming Freeman was 14th pick of 2nd round.
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Heyward:
Drafted by the Atlanta Braves in the 1st round (14th pick) of the 2007 amateur draft.

FF:
Drafted by the Braves in the second round (78th overall) of the 2007 Major League Baseball Draft.
 
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