Atlanta Police walkout

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Ten_Titans said:
It is not surprising you didn't land anywhere near my point.

You can hold cops to whatever standard you want. Give all cops who kill people the death penalty. Require 10 years of intense combat training so you can pay them 60k a year when they are done.

Do whatever, and then enjoy your world where there are no police.

My point is that your boundless sense of justice has hard stops in the real world. Those hard stops include the natural human response to danger, training cost, and the fact that large amounts of real people have to actually sign up for the job.

As it has been for my entire lifetime, the most effective way to prevent police killings is to stop ****ing with the cops when they try to arrest you. It is VIRTUALLY a surefire way for everyone to go home without bullet holes.
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Problem is the generation coming up doesn't wabt to be policed. Or like when blm first started, they demanded to police themselves. Yesterday, for uga player bacari Rambo was arrested for rape. The Atlanta news sites on Facebook was full of comments from people from the black community. "He didn't do it", "I'm sure it was a white girl who wanted it, but now feels ashamed", "let Rambo go, he's not guilty". So we have people who want to police themselves, but refuse to even acknowledge that someone may hace done wrong, just out of protection because he's a black man. And it's not just a black thing, I've seen white goobs say similar things. The point is that they prove with their own words that they want to do whatever they want, without any consequences. They don't want better training, they want police gone. They're marching tonight because a black cop answered a call for black teens having a gun. How was he to know it wasn't real? This is a black officer serving his community, done the right thing, and they want him gone. People like the guy you responded to just don't want police.
 
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lawgator1 said:
So you are OK with physical resistance to arrest if the suspect believes the reason is unjust???

That's what I've heard argued in this Atlanta case-- that because HE thought he should be allowed to walk to his sister's, that it made the arrest somehow unlawful.

Sorry, it just cannot work that way.
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for once i agree 100% with you
 
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lawgator1 said:
So you are OK with physical resistance to arrest if the suspect believes the reason is unjust???

That's what I've heard argued in this Atlanta case-- that because HE thought he should be allowed to walk to his sister's, that it made the arrest somehow unlawful.

Sorry, it just cannot work that way.
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Good grief the world is ending, I've lijed and agreed with posts from EL, and LG 2 dqys in a row😂😂😂
 
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So question since we have been discussing police standards here is a hypothetical:

Let’s say Brooks knew if he got arrested for DUI he would be violating his parole and be sent back to the pen. Knowing that and in his drunken state he tells himself he’s not going back and is going to do whatever it takes to not go back. He sees the cuffs flips out and decides he isn’t going back. Dude runs, wrestled the cops, takes one of the cops tasers and turns to hit the cop with the taser with the intent to kill cause that is his only way out.

What do you do as the cop?
 
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Tyler Durden said:
This is so out of wack. On one point you're saying it's too expensive to train police so that they won't needlessly kill people. Then you believe it's actually necessary to have amount of police we currently do, when in all actuality it's completely unnecessary.

Finally, you're giving cops carte blanche to arrest anybody for whatever and everything will be ok as long as you just submit and let them ruin your life for no reason.

Unreal.
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The police make arrests but the legal system determines guilt. If you are being arrested, even unjustly, it's better to submit and fight your battle in a court of law than it is to compound the situation by actually fighting the police on the street. At best, you're adding charges by resisting. At worst, you're risking your life. Cops are far from perfect. And not all of them are good people. But you stand a much better chance of winning in court than you do resisting arrest.
 
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Tennesseefan2019 said:
The American people will not vote for a Communist Democratic Party who are enthusiastic supporters of paid for domestic terrorist groups Antifa and BLM.:rolleyes:
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Republicans need to get off their a$$ and start standing up for traditional values in America. They need to expose the far left. I'm fine if they're just laying low now but they need to come out firing and protect us from these Communists
 
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joevol33 said:
Problem is the generation coming up doesn't want to be policed. Or like when blm first started, they demanded to police themselves. Yesterday, for uga player bacari Rambo was arrested for rape. The Atlanta news sites on Facebook was full of comments from people from the black community. "He didn't do it", "I'm sure it was a white girl who wanted it, but now feels ashamed", "let Rambo go, he's not guilty". So we have people who want to police themselves, but refuse to even acknowledge that someone may hace done wrong, just out of protection because he's a black man. And it's not just a black thing, I've seen white goobs say similar things. The point is that they prove with their own words that they want to do whatever they want, without any consequences. They don't want better training, they want police gone. They're marching tonight because a black cop answered a call for black teens having a gun. How was he to know it wasn't real? This is a black officer serving his community, done the right thing, and they want him gone. People like the guy you responded to just don't want police.
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Many in this generation have never been told no when they were growing up. They are used to getting their way. That is their main problem.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
https://www.kptv.com/news/west-linn...cle_a32ab650-b025-11ea-822d-739dd1f6b488.html
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He was atrested for a crime. Turns out it was bogus. Here's an example but he wasn't just arrested for no reason, officers were told there was a crime committed and did not follow policy. The result was officers held accountable. How is this an example of officers arresting people for no reason and getting away with doing whatever they want? Do you have any other examples of officers just found whatever they wanted with no consequence?
 
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lawgator1 said:
So you are OK with physical resistance to arrest if the suspect believes the reason is unjust???

That's what I've heard argued in this Atlanta case-- that because HE thought he should be allowed to walk to his sister's, that it made the arrest somehow unlawful.

Sorry, it just cannot work that way.
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lawgator1 said:
So you are OK with physical resistance to arrest if the suspect believes the reason is unjust???

That's what I've heard argued in this Atlanta case-- that because HE thought he should be allowed to walk to his sister's, that it made the arrest somehow unlawful.

Sorry, it just cannot work that way.
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I've never said that in this case the guy shouldn't have been arrested. He was clearly drunk and should've been arrested for DUI. The cops in this case were completely incompetent and THAT is what resulted in the guy being killed. He deserved to be arrested before, during, and after the confrontation. Shooting him was totally unnecessary.

There are numerous examples of cops harassing, beating, and/or killing people for no reason whatsoever. And to answer your initial question yes I am ok with that. It's called standing up for yourself.
 
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KB5252 said:
He was atrested for a crime. Turns out it was bogus. Here's an example but he wasn't just arrested for no reason, officers were told there was a crime committed and did not follow policy. The result was officers held accountable. How is this an example of officers arresting people for no reason and getting away with doing whatever they want? Do you have any other examples of officers just found whatever they wanted with no consequence?
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His only "crime" was bringing up an allegation of racial harassment to his boss.
 
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Wow, lots of chatter in here about me and I'm not even sure how any of it is relevant to my positions ITT. I said the police should do their jobs and also that the justice system will likely land on the right result on the back end. Seems pretty reasonable on both counts, but I suppose I should sign up to be a cop because I believe cops should do their jobs. Makes sense
 
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Weezer said:
The police make arrests but the legal system determines guilt. If you are being arrested, even unjustly, it's better to submit and fight your battle in a court of law than it is to compound the situation by actually fighting the police on the street. At best, you're adding charges by resisting. At worst, you're risking your life. Cops are far from perfect. And not all of them are good people. But you stand a much better chance of winning in court than you do resisting arrest.
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This is basically what I teach my kid. It's a bad time to be disrespectful but it fair to understand why you were stopped.

My kid has never been stopped but he should understand how to interact with LEO. What we have is social media version of how to interact and a real life common sense version.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
I've never said that in this case the guy shouldn't have been arrested. He was clearly drunk and should've been arrested for DUI. The cops in this case were completely incompetent and THAT is what resulted in the guy being killed. He deserved to be arrested before, during, and after the confrontation. Shooting him was totally unnecessary.

There are numerous examples of cops harassing, beating, and/or killing people for no reason whatsoever. And to answer your initial question yes I am ok with that. It's called standing up for yourself.
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If you're advocating physical resistance of arrest then you're asking for physical police response. Most police violence I've seen comes not from initial action, but overreaction to physical resistance. Cooperation is the best way for everyone to stay alive.
 
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