Atlanta Police walkout

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utvols88 said:
No and if yes, stand your ground would be the main defense and youd win. Hell a dude shot a guy that hit him with a skateboard and should get off. People who speak on tasers no being lethal has never been tased. I have and I can tell you it can cause series harm.
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No doubt! Apparently it affects one’s ability to spell serious.

I’m just messing around. I make mistakes all the time because I don’t proofread.
 
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utvols88 said:
I don't disagree that an independent agency should handle it in theory. My question is this.. what would define independent agency? A citizen board? A state agency like GBI? A federal agency?
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No other blue line agency at any level. An independent, highly trained board of private citizenry of some kind.
 
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DynaLo said:
Does anything change in any of that once GBI finishes their investigation of the events if they determine justified shooting by the cop?
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I don't know if there can be an override of the DA's decision. Not sure about Georgia law on the point.
 
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allvol123 said:
You just had a coworker charged with murder for lawfully doing his job. That should send a chill down the spine of every officer and walking out isnt a childish move at this point.
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One officer arrested sends a chill down officer spines and they walk out. One man smothered to death over nine minutes shouldn't send a chill down every civilian's spine? One mom shot while sleeping during a no-knock warrant didn't seem to send any chills down law enforcement spines? I don't see law enforcement rallying to get that law off the books.

Yah. Walk out. We'll fill the vacuum somehow.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
One officer arrested sends a chill down officer spines and they walk out. One man smothered to death over nine minutes shouldn't send a chill down every civilian's spine? One mom shot while sleeping during a no-knock warrant didn't seem to send any chills down law enforcement spines? I don't see law enforcement rallying to get that law off the books.

Yah. Walk out. We'll fill the vacuum somehow.
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You seem to have a difficult time with focus. These officers dont work in Minneapolis. Pay attention now, that is actually in a separate state.

These officers saw the DA in their district charge a coworker for murder for doing what he was trained to do. Still confused?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
One officer arrested sends a chill down officer spines and they walk out. One man smothered to death over nine minutes shouldn't send a chill down every civilian's spine? One mom shot while sleeping during a no-knock warrant didn't seem to send any chills down law enforcement spines? I don't see law enforcement rallying to get that law off the books.

Yah. Walk out. We'll fill the vacuum somehow.
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They wont fill anything. PDs had issues with recruitment before all this. Now? Its going to need alot of money and benefits to convince people to sign up to be a cop.

New officers will be less qualified than the cops that left.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
One officer arrested sends a chill down officer spines and they walk out. One man smothered to death over nine minutes shouldn't send a chill down every civilian's spine? One mom shot while sleeping during a no-knock warrant didn't seem to send any chills down law enforcement spines? I don't see law enforcement rallying to get that law off the books.

Yah. Walk out. We'll fill the vacuum somehow.
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To be fair, the cops were fired upon first..thats the part of the story people tend to either leave out, ignore, or not know about.

That being said, the entire incident was a huge cluster F###.
 
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utvols88 said:
They wont fill anything. PDs had issues with recruitment before all this. Now? Its going to need alot of money and benefits to convince people to sign up to be a cop.

New officers will be less qualified than the cops that left.
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And even more people that shouldn't be officers to begin with.
 
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utvols88 said:
lol... doesnt it become a "blue line" agency when you train people to investigate police. A police to police, as it were.
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utvols88 said:
They wont fill anything. PDs had issues with recruitment before all this. Now? Its going to need alot of money and benefits to convince people to sign up to be a cop.

New officers will be less qualified than the cops that left.
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So your argument is that our current **** system is all that we can hope for, so you'll just gloat the "miss me yet?" argument.

Bull.

I suspect we could come up with a system that protects officers and pays them well while holding them accountable. It's disingenuous to say that it's an important enough job to pay better if you don't tie that importance to accountability as well.
 
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allvol123 said:
You seem to have a difficult time with focus. These officers dont work in Minneapolis. Pay attention now, that is actually in a separate state.

These officers saw the DA in their district charge a coworker for murder for doing what he was trained to do. Still confused?
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I was speaking to systemic issues overall. I made that clear. Piss off if that's how you want to have a discussion.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
One officer arrested sends a chill down officer spines and they walk out. One man smothered to death over nine minutes shouldn't send a chill down every civilian's spine? One mom shot while sleeping during a no-knock warrant didn't seem to send any chills down law enforcement spines? I don't see law enforcement rallying to get that law off the books.

Yah. Walk out. We'll fill the vacuum somehow.
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The charges levied were the tipping point in Atl. I dont think its the entire reason tho.

The problem is, there a lot of good cops (nationwide) being caught in the crossfire between policy change and retribution in the name of Floyd. And while that situation (which is substantially different than Brooks) should not ever happened those actions are being levied against a lot of people who arent really part of the problem. What magnifies that is the idea that a cop in St Louis can be shot during looting and thats not really a concern by comparison. Eventually that adds up.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
To be fair, the cops were fired upon first..thats the part of the story people tend to either leave out, ignore, or not know about.

That being said, the entire incident was a huge cluster F###.
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Seems if they don't want to be fired upon whgile rushing a home in the middle of the night, they'd NOT want to issue a no-knock warrant. Goes back to my point--I'm not seeing too many agencies pressing the legislature to make no-knock warrants illegal.

But back to the point. One conviction sends chills down officer's spines, but one no-knock shooting should give civilians pause per the system?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I was speaking to systemic issues overall. I made that clear. Piss off if that's how you want to have a discussion.
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This is a thread on the Atlanta walk off. Due to a DA in Atlanta going rogue. Keep up.

I know you and many others love the Covid shotgun approach to problem solving but it doesnt work well.
 
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BeecherVol said:
The charges levied were the tipping point in Atl. I dont think its the entire reason tho.

The problem is, there a lot of good cops (nationwide) being caught in the crossfire between policy change and retribution in the name of Floyd. And while that situation (which is substantially different than Brooks) should not ever happened those actions are being levied against a lot of people who arent really part of the problem. What magnifies that is the idea that a cop in St Louis can be shot during looting and thats not really a concern by comparison. Eventually that adds up.
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I agree. Officers need to be protected. Civilians need to be protected. The system needs to change. Overall, law enforcement have resisted change and added oversight/accountability for years.

Something has to change.
 
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allvol123 said:
This is a thread on the Atlanta walk off. Due to a DA in Atlanta going rogue. Keep up.

I know you and many others love the Covid shotgun approach to problem solving but it doesnt work well.
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This has become a discussion about the systemic issues. You don't know me. Kick rocks.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I agree. Officers need to be protected. Civilians need to be protected. The system needs to change. Overall, law enforcement have resisted change and added oversight/accountability for years.

Something has to change.
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What needs to change are the politicians that write the laws and control the police. The police are just enforcing their political masters will.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I agree. Officers need to be protected. Civilians need to be protected. The system needs to change. Overall, law enforcement have resisted change and added oversight/accountability for years.

Something has to change.
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The real change starts above those being caught in the middle of it, which are the citizens and cops.
 
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