Atlanta Police walkout

[Behr]

Both were felons. Good chance they are gonna go back to jail if they get arrested. I figure most of these dudes dont have much to live for to begin with and once the prospect of going back to prison is becoming a reality its time to fight or run. The Atlanta guy who got shot was a child abuser so something tells me his time in prison probably wasn't that great.

My intention wasn't to derail this thread only make a legitimate point, and I did and it had nothing to do with Floyd or this guy.

 

[Tyler Durden]

The DA is going to get toasted in court (poor ada that has to present it) on both groups of cops (taser agg assault and shooting). He will lose his election and might get disbarred when it's all over. I'd like to hear @lawgator1 opinion on a DA wrongly charging someone due to politics while openly being dishonest.

The DA shouldnt threaten death penalty because he has nothing to do with that. He doesnt sentence. The law is the law and that's determined outside of the DA office.

I don't disagree with the principle of that, but it happens all the time to a non-cop accused of murder. So until that changes the cops shouldn't be treated any differently.

 

[RikidyBones]

I don't disagree with the principle of that, but it happens all the time to a non-cop accused of murder. So until that changes the cops shouldn't be treated any differently.

I don't think the DA should threaten it ever and I'd like to provide the same energy for a citizen getting that threat.

 

[Y9 Vol]

I don't disagree with the principle of that, but it happens all the time to a non-cop accused of murder. So until that changes the cops shouldn't be treated any differently.

Link?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Good thing criminals don’t do that crap

Heck of a demographic for you to identify with. If there's so much similarity, why do we call one group "criminals" and the other something else?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Link?

https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/co...cle_49cee96a-228a-11ea-9c28-db43d4310350.html

 

[lawgator1]

The DA is going to get toasted in court (poor ada that has to present it) on both groups of cops (taser agg assault and shooting). He will lose his election and might get disbarred when it's all over. I'd like to hear @lawgator1 opinion on a DA wrongly charging someone due to politics while openly being dishonest.

The DA shouldnt threaten death penalty because he has nothing to do with that. He doesnt sentence. The law is the law and that's determined outside of the DA office.

From a civil point of view he likely has prosecutorial immunity, meaning his discretion cannot be the cause of a lawsuit. The reason is that anyone could argue that basically any prosecution has a political component, so his motives are irrelevant. And no way its criminal.

The remedy is for the voters to dump him as soon as they can.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I have never called for a board member on this site to be banned but some of the stuff you have been spouting on different threads the last couple of days in regards to police & law enforcement has been despicable and down right sickening to the men & women who leave their families everyday and put their life on the line for you & me without ever expecting a thank you.

Like all professions their are some bad apples that make people look bad but overall the vast majority of law enforcement officers are good people. The amount of disdain you have shown law enforcement is down right scary.

The amount of disdain they often show is more scary. An opinion on a sports message board is pretty benign. And "support the muscle of our police state or be silenced" is more scary still.

 

[FLVOL_79]

The DA is going to get toasted in court (poor ada that has to present it) on both groups of cops (taser agg assault and shooting). He will lose his election and might get disbarred when it's all over. I'd like to hear @lawgator1 opinion on a DA wrongly charging someone due to politics while openly being dishonest.

The DA shouldnt threaten death penalty because he has nothing to do with that. He doesnt sentence. The law is the law and that's determined outside of the DA office.

Oh..he wont lose re-election..his voters continually choose people with terrible leadership abilities.

 

[TheDeeble]

 

[RikidyBones]

From a civil point of view he likely has prosecutorial immunity, meaning his discretion cannot be the cause of a lawsuit. The reason is that anyone could argue that basically any prosecution has a political component, so his motives are irrelevant. And no way its criminal.

The remedy is for the voters to dump him as soon as they can.

Thanks. I had a feeling he had immunity. My understanding is that the APD doesnt for a wrongful termination.

Could an ethics complaint get filed and he lose his ability to practice for the misrepresentation of facts?

 

[RikidyBones]

Oh..he wont lose re-election..his voters continually choose people with terrible leadership abilities.

Yeah he will. He has 2 sexual assault investigations and he allegedly took money from a nonprofit. Hes currently losing badly

And now with holes in his charges already, the blm folks might think he screwed it up.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Ahh yes. The opinion where the court made it perfectly normal for police to kill people. You must have a shrine to William Rehnquist you play with yourself in front of.

The Nazis quoted law on the way to the chambers as well. It's a chicken... argument for sure.

 

[DynaLo]

From a civil point of view he likely has prosecutorial immunity, meaning his discretion cannot be the cause of a lawsuit. The reason is that anyone could argue that basically any prosecution has a political component, so his motives are irrelevant. And no way its criminal.

The remedy is for the voters to dump him as soon as they can.

Does anything change in any of that once GBI finishes their investigation of the events if they determine justified shooting by the cop?

 

[allvol123]

Yeah he will. He has 2 sexual assault investigations and he allegedly took money from a nonprofit. Hes currently losing badly

And now with holes in his charges already, the blm folks might think he screwed it up.

I'm not sure the blm folks perform that kind of analysis.

 

[Orange_Crush]

What I’d like to see is an investigation handled by an independent agency. Maybe just maybe we should follow the law here.

That's what needs to happen EVERY time...and by "independent", not a separate police force, or anyone else behind the "blue line". They get justice, truly independent oversight, and truly independent accountability. I think that's what most of society wants, and it'd probably diffuse most of the fringe that just want to hate on the po-po, as it'd undermine their rhetoric.

It's a simple answer and more adult than a walk out "do you miss us now" BS Bush League move.

 

[RikidyBones]

That's what needs to happen EVERY time...and by "independent", not a separate police force, or anyone else behind the "blue line". They get justice, truly independent oversight, and truly independent accountability. I think that's what most of society wants, and it'd probably diffuse most of the fringe that just want to hate on the po-po, as it'd undermine their rhetoric.

It's a simple answer and more adult than a walk out "do you miss us now" BS Bush League move.

I don't disagree that an independent agency should handle it in theory. My question is this.. what would define independent agency? A citizen board? A state agency like GBI? A federal agency?

 

[Y9 Vol]

https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/co...cle_49cee96a-228a-11ea-9c28-db43d4310350.html

"all the time"...this is one case

 

[NurseGoodVol]

He was cooperating at the time. Why not ask him to slide out the passenger side and move the car yourself? I mean if he’s drunk and all?

You don't distract yourself with a car. Wendy's called for a reason he was passed out in the line.

 

[allvol123]

That's what needs to happen EVERY time...and by "independent", not a separate police force, or anyone else behind the "blue line". They get justice, truly independent oversight, and truly independent accountability. I think that's what most of society wants, and it'd probably diffuse most of the fringe that just want to hate on the po-po, as it'd undermine their rhetoric.

It's a simple answer and more adult than a walk out "do you miss us now" BS Bush League move.

You just had a coworker charged with murder for lawfully doing his job. That should send a chill down the spine of every officer and walking out isnt a childish move at this point.

 

[0nelilreb]

You just had a coworker charged with murder for lawfully doing his job. That should send a chill down the spine of every officer and walking out isnt a childish move at this point.

I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere on this thread ( I could have just missed it ) but this is also what happens when you belong to a union . The unwritten rule of ours was , that you never covered a shift for someone that just got fired .

 

[allvol123]

I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere on this thread ( I could have just missed it ) but this is also what happens when you belong to a union . The unwritten rule of ours was , that you never covered a shift for someone that just got fired .

Ok, I didnt know that.

 

[theFallGuy]

Some Atlanta police officers are not responding to calls in protest after ex-cop charged with murder | Daily Mail Online
"
The mayor of Atlanta refused to state how many officers called out sick on Wednesday night, hours after a police officer was fired and charged with felony murder for fatally shooting a man in the back.
Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms attempted to reassure residents that the city's streets would be any less safe despite fewer cops being on patrol.
Officers were seen to be failing to respond to calls in three of the department's six zones with some people monitoring the police scanner reporting near radio silence. "

 

[Orange_Crush]

When their alternative is to be fired, prosecuted, and sued for every use of force, no matter the circumstances, can you blame their absolutism?

Every? They would get one of those options for every/any use of force? Or they would be truly investigated?

 

[0nelilreb]

Ok, I didnt know that.

I can only speak for a few Unions that I personally knew about . That was just how things were done . Can’t say that now , I wouldn’t know . Then if one of your union members was fired nobody picked the shift up . I don’t have an opinion of the right or wrong of it , it’s just what happened .