Auburn basketball

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Brian McCat said:
2012 vs. 2014 comparisons are apples and oranges. The talent disparity between the two is significant.

The NIT team went off the rails when their #1 player suffered a freakish, college career-ending injury. That team only had one other player that would be drafted.

2012 had one Senior who made zero contributions to the team due to injury.

2014 will have a talent pool that will arguably be one of the deepest of all time. They will also have experienced leadership.

I don't think that you can come close to comparing these teams, especially based upon what we saw in the Bahamas 2 weeks ago.

Is there a change that they implode? Sure, mathematics will allow for that probability, but I'll stand by my original number.

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I'm gonna go with about 6 losses and a sweet 16 exit for the wildcats
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I don't need to familiarize a UT fan with the Buzz years.

Prior to Pearl, UTK hadn't gone to an E8 and only had 3 s16 appearances (which Pearl doubled in his time at UT). UT may have been in the top 15 in attendance on paper, but everybody in Kville knows about the "black curtains".

Auburn is almost a mirror image of UT prior to Pearl getting there (with one more s16, as a matter of fact and more notable NBA alums), and this time around, Pearl's name has way more cache'.

Arguing which midget is taller is splitting hairs, I think.
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Go look at attendance figures over the last 40 years. Historically, Tennessee has supported basketball better than any school in the conference other than Kentucky; Auburn might be dead last. There's a reason we built a 25,000-seat arena 20 years before Bruce Pearl ever set foot in Knoxville. Upgrading the facilities was an easy sell for Pearl at Tennessee; not sure it'll be that way for him at Auburn.

MemphisCanes said:
That is sheer lunacy. Barkley was one of the best to ever play the game, and he's still completely visible around the game.
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"Charles Barkely is on my TV a lot; therefore he was a lot better basketball player than Bernard King" is stupefyingly bad logic, even by VN standards. Maybe you're 20 years old and don't know any better, but King was one of the greatest pure scorers in the history of basketball. If he'd had a full career he'd be right up there with the all-time greats.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Go look at attendance figures over the last 40 years. Historically, Tennessee has supported basketball better than any school in the conference other than Kentucky; Auburn might be dead last. There's a reason we built a 25,000-seat arena 20 years before Bruce Pearl ever set foot in Knoxville. Upgrading the facilities was an easy sell for Pearl at Tennessee; not sure it'll be that way for him at Auburn.



"Charles Barkely is on my TV a lot; therefore he was a lot better basketball player than Bernard King" is stupefyingly bad logic, even by VN standards. Maybe you're 20 years old and don't know any better, but King was one of the greatest pure scorers in the history of basketball. If he'd had a full career he'd be right up there with the all-time greats.
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1. Attendance numbers are great on paper. ACTUAL attendance numbers are really what matter when building an atmosphere, and UTK had black curtains taking up the seats of about 11,000 fans routinely prior to Pearl. When your women's team is outdrawing your men's team in ACTUAL attendance, you have to start wondering who the TBA actually belongs to.

2. First, Barkley was a much better basketball player than Bernard King. Just look at their careers. But more importantly, I specifically used the phrase "notable alumni" because THAT'S what matters to recruits. Go ask a recruit today if they know King, and then ask them if they no Sir Charles. We'll wait patiently here for your response, or you can just admit now that you misread my post.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
1. Attendance numbers are great on paper. ACTUAL attendance numbers are really what matter when building an atmosphere, and UTK had black curtains taking up the seats of about 11,000 fans routinely prior to Pearl. When your women's team is outdrawing your men's team in ACTUAL attendance, you have to start wondering who the TBA actually belongs to.

2. First, Barkley was a much better basketball player than Bernard King. Just look at their careers. But more importantly, I specifically used the phrase "notable alumni" because THAT'S what matters to recruits. Go ask a recruit today if they know King, and then ask them if they no Sir Charles. We'll wait patiently here for your response, or you can just admit now that you misread my post.
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And now I know you're FOS. The women have outdrawn the men in ACTUAL attendance 2 times in TBA history, both under Peterson and both times barely did so.

Unless you're so derp you actually believe the rest of the pre-Pearl years they vastly over-reported the men's attendance and vastly under-reported the women's attendance.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And now I know you're FOS. The women have outdrawn the men in ACTUAL attendance 2 times in TBA history, both under Peterson and both times barely did so.

Unless you're so derp you actually believe the rest of the pre-Pearl years they vastly over-reported the men's attendance and vastly under-reported the women's attendance.
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I've been to games, champ. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
1. Attendance numbers are great on paper. ACTUAL attendance numbers are really what matter when building an atmosphere, and UTK had black curtains taking up the seats of about 11,000 fans routinely prior to Pearl. When your women's team is outdrawing your men's team in ACTUAL attendance, you have to start wondering who the TBA actually belongs to.

2. First, Barkley was a much better basketball player than Bernard King. Just look at their careers. But more importantly, I specifically used the phrase "notable alumni" because THAT'S what matters to recruits. Go ask a recruit today if they know King, and then ask them if they no Sir Charles. We'll wait patiently here for your response, or you can just admit now that you misread my post.
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TBH. If you look at both Barkley's and Kings career Charles overall had the better career by sheer stats and awards. And I am as true of a Vol fan as can be. But stats does not lie
 
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BurninOrange said:
TBH. If you look at both Barkley's and Kings career Charles overall had the better career by sheer stats and awards. And I am as true of a Vol fan as can be. But stats does not lie
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King was a player, no doubt. When you put em side by side though, you've got to give Barkley the nod. Had King not gotten hurt, who knows, but he did.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
King was a player, no doubt. When you put em side by side though, you've got to give Barkley the nod. Had King not gotten hurt, who knows, but he did.
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Imo if King had not gotten hurt he would have probably had a better career but he didnt play on the greatest teams in the league though
 
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MemphisCanes said:
1. Attendance numbers are great on paper. ACTUAL attendance numbers are really what matter when building an atmosphere, and UTK had black curtains taking up the seats of about 11,000 fans routinely prior to Pearl. When your women's team is outdrawing your men's team in ACTUAL attendance, you have to start wondering who the TBA actually belongs to.

2. First, Barkley was a much better basketball player than Bernard King. Just look at their careers. But more importantly, I specifically used the phrase "notable alumni" because THAT'S what matters to recruits. Go ask a recruit today if they know King, and then ask them if they no Sir Charles. We'll wait patiently here for your response, or you can just admit now that you misread my post.
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The court is named The Summitt.
 
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I was at UT during Green's final 3 years, and Buzz's first year. The attendance was still very good for most games. It certainly fell off a bit during Buzz's final years, but most of the successful years with Green had near sell-outs. Attendance has always been good at UT (compared with other schools).

I don't understand how this is an argument.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I was at UT during Green's final 3 years, and Buzz's first year. The attendance was still very good for most games. It certainly fell off a bit during Buzz's final years, but most of the successful years with Green had near sell-outs. Attendance has always been good at UT (compared with other schools).

I don't understand how this is an argument.
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Green normally did draw decent crowds, from what I can remember. Buzz not so much (black curtain time), then Pearl brought it to what seems like an all-time high, that carried over to the first year or so of Martin before plummeting again (Please, remember that I'm talking about actual attendance and not tickets sold).

Keep in mind that this came up as a reason that UT's program was not on tier with Auburn's program. It's sort of a hair-splitting argument to get into.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Green normally did draw decent crowds, from what I can remember. Buzz not so much (black curtain time), then Pearl brought it to what seems like an all-time high, that carried over to the first year or so of Martin before plummeting again (Please, remember that I'm talking about actual attendance and not tickets sold).

Keep in mind that this came up as a reason that UT's program was not on tier with Auburn's program. It's sort of a hair-splitting argument to get into.
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Really don't care how you are trying to spin it. I went to games, and attendance is great at UT. Buzz was only there 4 years, and his first two were fine. Pearl brought it back almost immediately.

As far as attendance between UT and Auburn, I don't think it's even close. Heck, Auburn's capacity is 9600, and I think UT might sell more season tickets than that. As far as history, UT has over 1500 wins (41st all time) with 40 games played in the NCAAT (actually same number as Memphis). Auburn has 1262 wins with 20 games played in the NCAAT (half as many). You can argue about Elite Eights or whatever all you want, but UT has the better sustained history. Auburn hasn't been relevant in over a decade since Cliff Ellis.

Again, I am not sure why this is a debate.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Really don't care how you are trying to spin it. I went to games, and attendance is great at UT. Buzz was only there 4 years, and his first two were fine. Pearl brought it back almost immediately.

As far as attendance between UT and Auburn, I don't think it's even close. Heck, Auburn's capacity is 9600, and I think UT might sell more season tickets than that. As far as history, UT has over 1500 wins (41st all time) with 40 games played in the NCAAT (actually same number as Memphis). Auburn has 1262 wins with 20 games played in the NCAAT (half as many). You can argue about Elite Eights or whatever all you want, but UT has the better sustained history. Auburn hasn't been relevant in over a decade since Cliff Ellis.

Again, I am not sure why this is a debate.
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Inb4 "Actual attendance vs. tickets sold".
 
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VolGee4 said:
Really don't care how you are trying to spin it. I went to games, and attendance is great at UT. Buzz was only there 4 years, and his first two were fine. Pearl brought it back almost immediately.

As far as attendance between UT and Auburn, I don't think it's even close. Heck, Auburn's capacity is 9600, and I think UT might sell more season tickets than that. As far as history, UT has over 1500 wins (41st all time) with 40 games played in the NCAAT (actually same number as Memphis). Auburn has 1262 wins with 20 games played in the NCAAT (half as many). You can argue about Elite Eights or whatever all you want, but UT has the better sustained history. Auburn hasn't been relevant in over a decade since Cliff Ellis.

Again, I am not sure why this is a debate.
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No offense to the reasonable UT fans on this board, but pre-Bruce Pearl, I think the UNreasonable UT fans would be the only people on Earth arguing that UT basketball was on a different plane than Auburn basketball.

Inflated ticket sales aside, you've had roughly to same amount of post season success (Auburn with actually 1 more S16 than UT), players put into the NBA, conference tourney titles, each a handful of tourney appearances.

If you ask someone to compare the two schools, pre-Pearl, and that someone isn't a complete UT homer, then their response is "meh, no huge difference". If the fact that the UT men play in Pat's gigantic arena is the singular thing you hold up to set you aside from Auburn, that should tell you how weak your point is.
 
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Another player commits. 9th best center in 2014 class, eligible to play in January. Trayvon Reed, who was kicked out of Maryland for stealing a candy bar.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
No offense to the reasonable UT fans on this board, but pre-Bruce Pearl, I think the UNreasonable UT fans would be the only people on Earth arguing that UT basketball was on a different plane than Auburn basketball.

Inflated ticket sales aside, you've had roughly to same amount of post season success (Auburn with actually 1 more S16 than UT), players put into the NBA, conference tourney titles, each a handful of tourney appearances.

If you ask someone to compare the two schools, pre-Pearl, and that someone isn't a complete UT homer, then their response is "meh, no huge difference". If the fact that the UT men play in Pat's gigantic arena is the singular thing you hold up to set you aside from Auburn, that should tell you how weak your point is.
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I presented the facts, and you chose to ignore them. I don't care how you want to spin it. Tennessee hasn't won an SECT title since 1979 (not even under Pearl), yet still has 4 to Auburn's 1. Tennessee has 8 regular season titles while Auburn has 2. That is 12 total to 3 total. Believe whatever the hell you want, but that doesn't equate to the same.

"Each a handful of tournament appearances?" Tennessee has played in twice as many NCAAT games! How is that even close?

I can't argue with someone who ignores the facts. I would hate to see how you ignore them in the courtroom.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I presented the facts, and you chose to ignore them. I don't care how you want to spin it. Tennessee hasn't won an SECT title since 1979 (not even under Pearl), yet still has 4 to Auburn's 1. Tennessee has 8 regular season titles while Auburn has 2. That is 12 total to 3 total. Believe whatever the hell you want, but that doesn't equate to the same.

"Each a handful of tournament appearances?" Tennessee has played in twice as many NCAAT games! How is that even close?

I can't argue with someone who ignores the facts. I would hate to see how you ignore them in the courtroom.
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That happens all the time.
 
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